It's not so much the strengths of the devs or the community, but the principles on which they stand and adhere to.
No amount of promotion will help without a solid foundation. You cannot polish a turd.
I am not a dev. Please explain precisely what makes it a "turd"
All cryptos are copy/paste of previous coins - all are subject to the problems I have highlighted. All of them are potentially turds. Just an anology, I'm not saying Libertycoin is specifically a turd amongst good cryptos, that's a misinterpretation.
In order to move forward, a new philosophy needs to be created.
Reference : Thatcherism, 1980's.
The old order needed to be uprooted, examined and re-assessed. A new foundation was required for the future.
Does Libertycoin want to follow the old ways or create something new?
Anonimity is not a new way forward, it is merely another coat of paint on the crumbling wall of cryptos.
In it's current state, Libertycoin is not Liberty - it is Aristocracy, hiding behind a name, no different like any other coin, ruled by an elite.
Boomslang why do you keep using 1980's thatcherism for your analogies? Are you English? Because I am from the industrial North, and I've been directly affected by the shit you are talking about. You mentioned the coal mines earlier and now this, and my problem is that you are making really bullshit statements, "The old order needed to be uprooted, examined and re-assessed. A new foundation was required for the future." This is nonsense, the old order was not replaced by a new and improved order, the new order was installed so as to only benefit the elite - Thatcher's friends and sponsors, so how the hell is this a relevant analogy?? It's the complete opposite way around, before Thatcher there were trade unions and community spirit, after Thatcher there was rife unemployment, the rich got richer and the poor got poorer. You are making sloppy generalised statements and not even thinking about your words, something you have constantly been accusing others of.
Why are you still here anyway?...
I never said I supported Thatcherism, nor did I say it was an improvement. I just said it was new - very new in fact.
I also have family in the North who were affected.
My mention of coal mining was based on it's current usefulness as a commodity, and was not a commentary on the places or people that mined it.
The analogy was making a point that until one system is overthrown, a new one cannot evolve.
Does Libertycoin want to be "new" or "old" ?
Well are you here because you want to help Libertycoin be more innovative? Otherwise what is your reason for posting here so much? Are there not other coins out there that you are concerned about ~ why Libertycoin? If you want to help steer Libertycoin in the right direction then I welcome you with open arms because I think you are right that it needs to set itself apart from the rest and create something new. I don't want it to be just another altcoin, just another pump and dump. I want it to actually have meaning behind its name: Liberty. At present I have to admit it doesn't. I would like to see it have principles based on Liberty that are known to the community, a movement that people know when they hear the name Libertycoin. It should at the very least, do something in the real world that liberates people, otherwise it's just another coin with a fancy name. And the devs need to realise that.
I am still for Libertycoin, even though I hold no investment in it.
The cry of liberty in the French Revolution was a throwing away of the old order (Aristocracy, wealth in the hands of the few) and a new beginning (power to the people, redistribution of wealth).
Until a radical upheavel of the "old order" is implemented, Libertycoin will simply follow the rest of the rich into ever-expanding ivory towers.
A fancy anon feature is not innovation if all it does is protect the rich and make them richer by hiding their wealth even further.
Right now, the crypto world is no different to private banks.
The populace, instead of being liberated, are held in check and controlled (slavery) by the very people they have entrusted to emancipate them.
Yes, there is too much greed and selfishness in crypto, every coin seems to just be for the benefit of its creator.
Why are you for Libertycoin if you see it as no different to the others? And I don't believe the devs have an unfair amount of Libertycoins so I don't see this as the main problem with xlb. I do think it's missing an ideology at the moment, and I wish there was more commitment to it as an idea, rather than just a money making coin.
Very true.
There is a big disparity between theory and practice in cryptos - both in the Satoshi methodology (technology outstripping an idea) and the ideology behind the implementation (cryptos imply freedom from banks, but creates more banks).
You're not answering any of my questions. You are just talking at us and selecting sentences to comment on. Please tell us why you are choosing to come here to this community and lay all the problems of crypto on this one coin?
If Libertycoin wants to stand out from the crowd, it must do that by understanding the past, getting a grip on the present and creating a new future. I know people may think I am being obnoxious, but if a doctor diagnoses cancer, maybe treatment can be sought.
Hiding that cancer away and not seeking help means an early death.
Exposing the problems of cryptos in general (cancer) will give this community a chance to try something new with Libertycoin in particular (chemotherapy).
I'm still here because I'm fighting for Liberty - where very few people are - in an arena of defamation, flaming and ridicule.
Many people here don't want Liberty, they want money. They will become a new aristocracy - a digital ruling elite - at the expense of the weak and unwary. Cryptos, currently, are disenfranchising - the very opposite of Liberty. They are exclusive, not inclusive.
What will Libertycoin do to become all-inclusive and break away from all the other cryptos that are based on exclusion while shouting "everyone join"? They only shout this to fleece them of their wealth and laugh at them.
They seem to be blinded by greed and do not care one iota for their fellow man.
Long Live Liberty!
Chemotherapy is not really what I would want to associate with trying something new here... There are many natural cures for cancer you know? But cancer is big business and they make a lot of money from expensive treatment that doesn't work, and they suppress and discredit known cures that have been practiced and proved worldwide. Another example of the blind greed in our world.
Anyway.. I'm all for Liberty and I have some ideas of projects we could do as a community, I see this coin as being quite community led, out of necessity I suppose, and I think we could turn crypto on it's head if we learn to think less selfishly.
I know Boomslang is an obnoxious soap-box preacher, but he is right about this. I don't want to be involved in another pyramid scheme. I want us to come up with ideas that slap in the face of the rest of greedy cryptoland. There are a lot of good people in IRC that I'm getting to know and I think together we're more than capable of creating a new direction for cryptocurrency, I'm looking forward to our team talk so we can get down to thinking!
Boomslang, please try to be more conversational if you are going to keep posting here, you seem to be talking down from up high a lot and it's not really in the community spirit if you know what I mean. If you are all for Libertycoin, then please appeal rather than condemn and maybe people would accept your words more easily.
Thanks for that.
The comparison to doctors & disease may have been too specific when I mentioned cancer. But the anology still remains.
I have become a little defensive in the face of all of the personal attacks, but I also could have just walked away and left Libertycoin to rot in the gutter with all the other cryptos.
It has been asked "why am I still here"?
It is not to defend a personal, skewed viewpoint, but to clarify what Liberty is about and to expose some painful truths in cryptos that not many people want to hear. In my attempts to lift the wool from people's eyes, I have come across in an unintended way.
@Community :-
I apologise for coming across as a bit preachy.
It is often hard to be heard in a roomful of people if everyone is shouting "piss off!"
I will try to temper my posts so they are more constructive and going in a more positive direction.
The wounds in crypto needed to be opened first so they can be understood, cleaned, dressed and the healing process begin.
I have the right to defend myself, but I will try to do it in a better way.
Personal attacks don't help in any way whatsoever and I would appreciate it if people concentrated on the message and not kicking the messenger! I haven't personally attacked anyone, I have responded to what they have written.
I stand by everything I have previously posted and a lot of it does not need to be said again.
Long Live Liberty!