Quote from: CoinGeneral on June 06, 2014, 05:56:32 PM

Quote from: Snippetz on June 06, 2014, 03:02:45 AM

CoinGeneral, you're so misinformed that I think you need to take a step back and rethink everything you've said so far.

I only read the first few pages since this thread is pretty long now, but I think I've got the gist of what is being said here. First of all, you have NO IDEA how much irony is being spewed from your mouth.

That comparison chart of atheists/ vegans vs christians / meat-eating is the most retarded chart ever and only a person with extreme views would use such a an example to prove a point. It's beyond straw-man and is just dumb.

You don't think there are vegan christians or meat-eating atheists? That disproves your whole chart; it had no basis to even exists as an argument. You're literally grouping non-existent ideas and putting them forward as an argument.

I spent a good week or so reading and reading and even emailed the great Gary Yourosky. After one email reply from him he stopped answering me. It was unfortunate because I had so many questions and he said his site (which DID provide a lot of answers) that he didn't even bother to respond after I had a full essay of questions afterwards.

I also spent a good amount of time watching videos from "freelee banana girl" and watching "durianrider" videos where they take in something crazy like 10,000 calories a day and are still skin and bones thin. It was really interesting and I was fascinated how it worked. I read a lot of different conclusions online; most of them had to do with our body not being able to take in all the calories due to the fiber and others stated it had to do with all the endurance exercise they did as well.

None the less, my conclusion was that the human body is exceptional and can ADAPT when it needs to. Whether paleo, vegan or just bread and water for the week. The human body can get what it needs when it has nothing else to take from.

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If meat was SO bad for humans and if our bodies were not evolved for eating meat then we would simply be sick very soon after eating meat every time. Which obviously isn't the case.

If our stomach were not meant for meat then our bodies would reject it. Yet the human body has a stomach ph level of around 1.5 to 3.5 and the intestinal length required to fully digest it.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gastric_acid

I've been eating meat my whole life (only 22 years albeit) and I'm doing just fine. I have no bowel problems and pass stool just fine and I feel energetic in the morning blah blah blah.

You also forgot one important aspect about humans. We are at the top of the food chain because of our brains. Our intelligence is what allowed us to cook food, preserve food, and use technology to enhance food production for our sake.

Humans have been eating meat for hundreds of thousands of years and without killing animals it could be argued that humans may not have survived the ice age. Animals provided clothing, weapons and food.

You can ask me those questions instead, I don't know as much as Gary Yourofsky obviously, but he gets a crap ton of emails so he will have a hard time answering them all in which case I'll fill in for him.

The thing is that, smoking, meat, cocaine, etc, these things are bad for our health as well, but obviously the health effects don't show right away. You're at tender young age of 22, you won't see many health problems with people in your age group, even smokers, meat eaters, cocaine addicts, alcoholics, all probably look healthy to you and everyone is doing well.

As you grow older you'll have friends who were skinny that have now become obese, friends who were athletic and healthy that have now contracted a fatal disease, friends who were smart throughout their schooling but have now become slow and dumb. It's a gradual process, you gotta understand that most things in life are not acquired instantaneously; intelligence, strength, health, etc, these are all built up over many years of slow progress and many people throw their time away in neglect not improving in any aspect.

As you become older, you'll know friends who have gotten cancer, heart attacks, kidney stones, stroke, diabetes, etc, and it's a sad thing to see, yet a vegetarian or vegan diet can make you much more resistant to these illnesses or even reverse them completely, it will make you feel better about yourself, become smarter, stronger, live longer, and have a higher quality of life.

Many people switch to taking meat out of their diets for health benefits after suffering from a certain condition. I personally know people who have gotten cancer, who have died of cancer, who committed suicide, who have diabetes, heart disease, have to take pills every morning, have to visit the doctor every day, it's tragic. It's tragic and depressing what lifestyle and diet can do to people long term.

What I suggest is to have a more open mind, to give taking meat out of your diet a try. If it doesn't work for you then that's no problem, at least you gave it some effort to improve your health. Or maybe you might switch to become a vegetarian or vegan later in life, like I said I've seen many people become sick and die. You probably have not seen much sickness or deaths in your age group, but as you get older you'll start to see it more and more.

Check out the video "Best way to prevent death" in my signature.

Benefits I felt after taking meat out of my diet

http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/510HABc0dLL.jpg

http://www.dresselstyn.com/graphics/book_prevent.jpg

http://www.goodlifetree.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/05/the_china_study-book-380x579.jpg

Is this a serious reply? Did you re-read your post? It makes no sense. You're literally INVENTING arguments. How can meat be the inevitable decline of human health? How could you ever postulate that it's all because of meat. Do no other variables exist? Only smoking and drugs? Not genetics in any way?

There is no source or proof on this planet you could site that would prove this, ever. Because it doesn't exist.

The china study? Really? I've got that book on my book shelf and stopped reading after the first chapter. It's been debunked to death already multiple times on the internet.

Have you read the actual china study? The 1000+ page mammoth study? Because the study itself states that it's an OBSERVATIONAL study and isn't meant to be taken empirically.

Observation does not equal causation; the biggest mistake assumed by the china study followers.

My parents are great examples of this. My parents both eat meat and have been for over 65 years. My dad is still in great shape-- no belly; still skinny, no sickness or disease-- and still works as a landscaper and is still mentally sharp, my mom looks real good for her age, speaks two languages fluently blah blah blah... Both my parents hardly ever get sick and I don't think my mom has missed a day of work in over 8 years.

Your post is so moronic you don't see the irony in that your vegan lifestyle is your religion.

The arguments you're posting throughout this thread MIMIC the arguments I used to hear pro-christian people use.

In fact it has nothing to do specifically with religion; it's the mindset of the individual.

Your mindset-type is all over the spectrum: religion, politics, lifestyle.

The same way you said that meat-eaters are brainwashed could be said about vegans-- brainwashed.

I knew a chick from my work who was vegan for 3 years + and she was slow in the head, had mood swings and was always acting funny. Not to mention she actually admitted to not have had her period in the time she was vegan.

I kept telling her to have some meat and get some cholesterol in her diet to fix this problem. She eventually decided to give it a shot and started eating eggs, then liver and then chicken.

She said she felt great and she got her period again.

You want the truth coingeneral? The human body is adaptive. You just need to accept it. Humans can eat meat without any problem and, vice-versa, can do a vegan lifestyle (if done properly) as well as paleo or pescitairian etc...

Humans are omnivores and that lets us eat just about anything as long as it's prepared properly.

Why don't you go read Weston A. Prices' book on "Nutrition and Physical Degeneration".

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For your time Coingeneral :

http://rawfoodsos.com/2010/07/07/the-china-study-fact-or-fallac/