Quote from: franky1 on June 11, 2014, 11:04:22 AM

Quote from: Dorrace on June 11, 2014, 10:29:23 AM

but back to the project, there are a number of ways to ensure the longevity of the city. To maintain the presence of the bitcoin, you could invite bitcoin related companies/enterprises to operate there , create something you can't have in an established city, even if its abandoned but to be honest the only abandoned cities you're going to find are pre 21st century towns in the center of nowhere, it wouldnt really save you an awful lot of money because you still have to add infrastructure, modern sewage processing, storm water pits/piping, electricity generation/connection ,etc .

Then theres the dilemma of internet. buildings are cheap, its what makes a building habitable that actually costs money.

i can tell you now if you refit an old town its going to cost you alot more unless you are incredibly lucky and find a place that has everything already in place and its merely cosmetic work required.

you are now boring the community...

1. the town you live in now, infact the towns anyone reading this lives in now.. it has internet correct? it has shops? running water? electricity? it has warehouses, office blocks, apartment complexes, houses, etc??
so its cheaper to bribe every business in your town to b bitcoin friendly, as oppose to building a city and then trying to get businesses to go there.

2. do you even know the cost of one skyscaper... the cost of 1 apartment block. the cost of one house.. screw it lets keep it simple
a city has a million population. so imagine 1 million houses.. do the maths.. building a city costs more then the total market cap of bitcoin.

3. yea you want to build it. you say you dont want to manage the funds.. i hear you.. you want a middle man to hold the funds for a little while and then give the funds to you.. oh wait.. that still means that you want money.... i see now, and let me guess you want all the blame to b shifted back on the middleman for being a bad escrow... i totally get it now.

4. if you were in the mindset of expanding bitcoin you would be trying to get businesses of the world to accept bitcoin, but no all you want is for the community to give you a wage. even with your weak concept of what is actually required to build a city. you have no clue!

now move on back to your cave or atleast try getting businesses in your town to accept bitcoin. video it. then show us you working on a construction site. yes video yourself doing some actual work.. oh wait you wont do that.. so i guess the only option is going into your cave

number 3 , you win the grand prize for making me laugh .

my explanations are vague , or you guys are jumping ahead of yourselves.

let me contest your arguments.

1. yes you're right in saying that but that's not the point . The point is to pioneer. To reach new limits and prove to the world "yes we did this with bitcoin" its about making headlines and proving to the sceptics that yes you can have a town thrive just on bitcoin and be green and 100 times more efficient then the average city.

2. I am well aware of the costs of construction, i have a particular interest in multi-living, multi-purpose dwellings, the costs of construction explode the higher you go in terms of storeys/floors ( skyscrapers) but keep in mind these expensive buildings are only viable because of the land value to structure ratio. essentially , you can have a cheap block of land and build on (expense) as much as you want on it but as soon as your land value is more then the structure itself its no longer in that ratio. land in the cities where most skyscrapers are built are worth alot of money so its not viable building anything that will bring in a lesser then land value profit/return and this is pushed with population/commercial density...
again the rise in 2 storey house constructions are due to land values going up ( atleast in australia) to build the same size house as a single storey can and usually will be cheaper ( keeping to minimum construction requirements , load bearing ,etc) then a 2 storey building but when you factor in land value , it works out ALOT cheaper to build a 2 storey house with the same floor space. just to put it into perspective..... then consider im talking about a large parcel of land perhaps 1-2 hours outside of the city districts which is far more affordable, construction is given more freedom and can be a cheaper and simpler design .

3. it doesnt even have to be a fund, its not one specific way of doing it. An open mind is one with more then one way of doing things. it can be just like that development in chile the gulch , selling off a plan with lots of flexibility. Im not saying anything close to "give me the money", yeah ideally it would take $100 million ++ to get it really started with a infrastructure with plenty of room for expansion , the whole point of the fund is to prevent the whole thing being a grab for profit. I see it being a greater success being run as a "non-profit" project. it would set it apart from housing/commercial developments.

4. im not saying im right or this is the only way, im encouraging people to put some ideas into this, brainstorm. throw some ideas back at me , don't just shut the whole thing down im not trying to argue a point . Im trying to build on an idea, a spark if you will and you all have ideas, to fuel a fire.

it takes more then a spark to set a field ablaze , with the right amount of fuel and the right conditions you have a blaze that can last a very long time and have a huge effect on everything around it .