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UtopianFuture did not scam anyone. What he did was equivalent to buying fake likes on Facebook and Twitter. All he did was create sockpuppet accounts, to pad popularity in the initial weeks of NEM, and he later took them off the stakeholder list. This is a tactic done by practically every coin out there. Satoshi likely had a dozen aliases in 2009 to promote Bitcoin.

Think hard about it - UtopianFuture had nothing to do with the taint analysis (others were in charge and it was open to anyone willing to volunteer). If UtopianFuture still had his sock puppets then he would had been busted hard, no way (under any fantasy scenario) could he had kept 100s of sockpuppets (let alone a dozen or five of them).

UtopianFuture at best probably only had 2 to 5 sockpuppets total (later removed) but now he has zero and persumably no developer stake anymore.

You don't know any of this. All of your words are 100% conjecture.

No, they are not. Anyone who is familiar with NEM would know that we had an open, transparent, taint analysis which last for several months. Anyone was able to review the list of stakeholders and weed out sockpuppets, hundreds were removed that way. UF's sockpuppet accounts were gone from the list before taint analysis began and the registrations ended.

You keep trolling and insisting that UtopianFuture had 100s of sockpuppets but it's a rhetorical fallacy as taint analysis would had weeded him out months ago, and that hypothetical scandal which would way worse than UtopianFuture padding fake popularity in NEM back in January.

The reality is this - NEM has over 1000 veteran stakeholders and it has the fairest distribution in crypto history. That's compared to your NxT / Qora / Sim which had distributions to less than 100 accounts (of which, due to lack of taint analysis, was arguably only a dozen or so real people).
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UF has already admitted to having more sockpuppet accounts than you are willing to admit he had, ergo, your opinion is meaningless.

Even if UF had 5, 10, hell, 50 sockpuppets the distribution would still be leaps and bounds better than any other IPO. This is honestly retarded how much attention this is getting.

If there wasn't any attention and fanfare given to all these, it would certainly have led to more greed and dishonesty. I guess all this is relative in comparison. The question we should really ask ourselves is, do we want to come clean in all these or compare ourselves with the myriad of intentional or greed driven intentions of dishonesty out there with many of these coins?

Like computer logic, honesty and fairness are binary. You either come out clean or you come out dirty. Doesn't matter who is more tainted and therefore one should not then say, "There are many more crooks out there that are even worse than us". The point is there was a dishonest person, no matter how big or small it was. In reality, the person would be taken to court and most probably tried and incriminated. That's the severity of the matter. It is no small matter and is tantamount to criminal breach of trust. What more the charter of NEM was meant to be altruistic by all measure created by the very person himself. Enough said.

So, I would recommend anyone to please refrain from defending how clean so and so is in the name of NEM. It makes one suspect that this "defender" is another sockpuppet of UP. What we really need to do is to be more vigilant and comb through the stakeholders' list and get it all tidied up.

The problem with human nature is that one can do a million good but if there is one mistake made, the person is remembered for life of his/her wrongdoing.

I would also refrain from making baseless nonsensical superfluous and emotional statements. Let bygone be bygone.

And to all the dev team, there is still room for you to correct the right from wrong as you guys have the final control and release. The Nem Stakes are nominal in value and not finally dished out as NEMs. If I were to do it, I would look at the original stakeholders list seriously and decide if there were any errors or cheating there before the release of NEM as an official coin. Of course for the 430 NemStakes that are already being traded have to be recognised as true stakeholders as they have already gone out. Of the remaining, 2.57K units, please do some due diligence on them.

How about the story of Angulimala 央掘魔羅 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Angulimala)? It is said that he killed 999 people, but then reached enlightenment and was thus redeemed. In Judaism/Christianity, was not the first sin "knowing good and evil"? I don't think it is good to judge as either good or bad. Just let it be, but move forward and do the right thing.

Your first three statements are beliefs which I very often avoid. I am fortunately or unfortunately, a man of logic and facts. I must admit although my upbringing is very much influenced by Buddhism, Confucianism and Taoism I won't let that cloud me. They serve as stories and lessons to learn and in life we need to do good.

But I agree with your last two statements totally. Incidentally, I did not call the judgement as the guilt was admitted in open by the person himself.

So, yes, let's move forward AND do the RIGHT THING! That's for sure!

Glad we can agree on that Cheesy