Quote from: fractastical on June 18, 2014, 03:05:16 PM

Quote from: Spratan on June 18, 2014, 10:50:58 AM

I have just read the last pages, and I am in a very bad mood...

Guys, we must recognize that Counterparty is very useful but XCP is useless.
Even Swarm won't use XCP, and community even thinks it is better for XCP because of risks ?!...Are we kidding ?

What happens with community's minimal ambition, competition and risk tolerance ?

Did you notice that even Maidsafe is ahead us !!! What a "chaotic IPO" !!!!
Nxt is 10 times more valuated, and its assets exchange, which was after CP, is not better but far more used now. Battle lost.

Everyone has left the thread. The first month was really exciting, but almost nothing happens since. 1 or 2 pages per week...
It is the first coin nobody talks about value, like a taboo ! Very lately, they were news like talks with overstock, xbet.io, a kind of privacy with mixing , swarm on press, even coindesk and NOBODY CARES !

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I can't see XCP successful if we can't answer precisely why, and even when or how much. Chance is not an option.

Sorry for be provocative, but we can't have a XCP as low as 0.0035 BTC anymore, it is insane. It should be in the top 5 easily NOW.

I agree. I think this requires a lot of marketing. Many many people have heard of NXT and Mastercoin, but very few have heard of Counterparty. We need to change this.

#xcp #tothemoon

These posts, although unpleasant, are also necessary to learn and grow. If we don't understand what we are doing wrong we will continue to do so.

One of the main differences between Nxt and XCP is that NXT has a central lead, someone who is directly responsible and invested in the success of the currency. With XCP no one person is any more invested than the next. We all stand to gain and lose just as much as we invested.

NXT has someone to say "hey, this is a problem, so we are going to do this". Where as XCP doesn't have that central lead or authority. This was the decision of the developers to create a grass-roots free-growing enterprise and only the future will tell how it all turns out. I don't support this model and in the past I have voiced my opinions on the subject so I wont rehash them. It's also important to understand that NXT isn't limited by outside factors (BTC). NXT lives and dies by its own decisions. It is not arbitrarily limited or denied (OP return anyone?) by external forces (BTC developers). The initial XCP developers chose to attach this project to BTC for certain reasons and it was their right to choose so.

I would like to point out a very interesting comment though:

Quote from: PhantomPhreak on June 18, 2014, 08:08:18 PM

2) I'm not sure about 'everything', but XCP is a much more powerful currency than BTC, and all of the more interesting functionality of Counterparty requires its extra capabilities.

If XCP is so much more powerful and amazing than BTC, why are we arbitrarily limiting ourselves to the shackles of bitcoins blockchain? 10 minute blocks? In the future we will be saying "30 second blocks are you serious? I'm not waiting 30s to pay for my coffee!". If it can't be used to pay for everything and anything, then its not a true currency. If its not a true currency, then why are we using it. Bitcoins first-mover advantage is not going to last forever. And when it does start showing the signs of its age (which in my position it already is), we are going to be in an uncomfortable position.

The promise of bitcoin will live on, regardless of whether we are using Bitcoin, or blackcoin, or darkcoin, etc, so to arbitrarily pick one of these and say "this is the one" and attach ourselves to it seems foolish.
Regardless of whether bitcoin fails and another takes its place, NXT will continue on. I hate NXT mainly because of its distribution. But we are a large unwieldy and uncoordinated beast competing against a well-oiled machine. They have the budget, the focus and the drive to pick goals and accomplish them. Not only that but we are self-limiting ourselves. With this in mind its obvious why the price hasn't moved.

Technological Anarchy (thats what this is, people coming together and working together by choice, not by law) sounds nice on paper. "Hey we'll all contribute together and it will be egalitarian and no one will control anything and it will be great!". But in reality doesn't help get things done in a efficient and timely manner.

Theres a reason why we've always had central authority in the form of a monarchy or president. It gets shit done.
That reminds me of a picture.

Hard to argue with that.