Quote from: NotLambchop on June 21, 2014, 12:43:02 PM

Quote from: andyfletcher on June 21, 2014, 09:57:10 AM

Quote from: NotLambchop on June 20, 2014, 10:41:06 PM

^Interesting idea you got there, though facts don't support it. BTC price actually fell since the first IPO. If RENT worked as a hedge, share price should be higher.
But wait! That's not all!! You'll also receive ~~five paring knives~~ exciting third-party risks! RENT could fold and Havelock could fold, leaving you sad and unhedged Sad

Wanna hedge your Bitcoin bet? Invest in teh $, which has historically maintained perfect $ parity

By the same token MPEX could fold, I really don't see your point unless there is some cloud of magic surrounding the few listings on MPEX which prevents them ever going wrong.

The unusual thing about RentalStarter is it is a listing based on the ownership and rental of physical property which will retain value (as defined in USD). The issuer has been very open about the project and a creditable history in the industry making it hard for him to cut and run without being chased by litigants. You don't normally throw away a reputation build up over many years lightly.

This listing uses BTC as a method of transferring value, buying BTC for USD and distributing it out as payments each month. This is what BTC is good at as there are no bank charges involved.

Yes, exchanges collapse, BitFunder is a good example but the listings simply moved to another.

Regarding the price of RentalStarter, the volume is very low at the moment as people flock to the next high risk mining share for huge payouts, RentalStarter is paying reasonable returns for a bricks and mortar business in the startup phase. I am however surprised at the low share valuation at the moment which is significantly below the breakup value of the business which makes it a good and relatively secure investment in the hybrid BTC/USD world.

We disagree, you are entitled to your view, however childish insults don't help and just lower your reputation.

Andy

Hi Andy. Let me address your concerns serally:

Though your point re. MPEx is thought-provoking, its relevance to our conversation is minimal. If you feel I've suggested you giving your milk money to MPEx, I must assure you the fault lies entirely with your interpretive abilities.

Re. "ownership of real assets": Who owns these real assets? I believe the claim is "Full Power Asia Investment LTD," of which I know absolutely nothing other than (Hong Kong, as I remember?) registration. What do you plan to do, for instance, if Full Power Asia Investment LTD stops posting on this forum through the Branny pen name?

Re. Branny's openness and industry experience: I don't seem to recall Mr. Branny's record of employment (excluding, of course, Full Power Asia Investment LTD). Or... his full name, for that matter. Fill me in here.

Mr. Kenneth Slaughter of Active Mining (whose name is as well known as that of NEOBEE's Danny Brewster) is a top-notch EE and a successful businessman, as I was told repeatedly by teh indignant Active Miners.
Now his "shares" are trading @0.000003, approximately 1/800th (not a typo) of the issue price.

Re. "Yes, exchanges collapse": Finally we agree. GLBSE, BTCT, BitFunder are just a few recent examples.
But we don't agree on some of the finer details. Though the scope of the term "collapse" is arguably wide enough to include exchange owners saying OKTHXBI! as the savvy investment enthusiasts hold their dicks, I feel this contingency is worth stressing to our younger financiers.
That's called "third-party risk."

Re. Price: The volume is low because Bitcoin is continuously moving to smarter hands. The ones who "trade" and provide liquidity have been impoverished by their previous "investments," and thus are unable to provide liquidity.
TL;DR: Greater fools have lost their coin, pool's closed.

Re. "relatively secure investment in the hybrid BTC/USD world": ~Happy investing!

Your points are like saying the sky is blue. There is risk to every investment. Look at MF Global. It doesn't matter who you invest in, or where, there is always a risk. Im willing to risk my BTC that Branny will be an honest operator.

The issue with the examples you gave, Neo & Bee and ActiveMining, are that those were never good investments in the first place. For some reason people throw money at "investment" IPO's just because its in BTC and not USD. And I think your trolling a bit, I was using the word collapse in the sense of general failure. The majority of exchanges have collapsed in the sense that their operators were scammers.