Quote from: gotpetum on July 03, 2014, 09:05:46 PM

Hi Sebastian,
Thanks for reaching out to him.

Quote from: SebastianJu on July 03, 2014, 07:30:25 PM

It sounded like

Ukyo has eluded to circumstances that have not happened many times. He still won't tell us what happened to the coins. He promised dozens of times to provide information, "good news," and updates. Each time, he later says he can't talk by eluding to works in progress, gag orders, NDAs, legal action, and/or bitcoin problems. And a little later, he denies whatever was implied.

So, where are the coins? What's the "big news?"

And, since all of this, he offered to liquidate BTCINVEST assets for the BTCINVESTors. Did he just decide to keep all of the proceeds from liquidation?

Added:
After reading about them, it sounds to me like Ukyo (and TF) followed the "six definite steps or stages of growth in every finely balanced and well-conceived confidence game" almost to the letter.

If he wants us to believe otherwise, he just needs to deviate from the con man's playbook by telling us what happened.

What's really impressive is how he strung us along, with news announcements about upcoming news and by giving us a little money back (all in the playbook), and learning from /us/ what story would be the most believable. At first, he said bitcond problems, but then he kept his mouth shut and had us come up with our own story (bitcoin malleability + lawsuits to get it back from the person who took them.) But, if he tells us, then we'd require proof (which he could give), so he just keeps his mouth shut.

I dont remember that he promised to speak about what happened. And obviously speaking about wouldnt be good now. Only my impression so far of course... of course you might pressure this so hard that you get to know the truth. But when this means the chance to recover dies with this info then i think its not worth the info. You dont need to believe me but i dont think hes a con man.

I know he works on projects and i dont have a reason to believe he doesnt work on weex too.

I dont know about BTCINVEST. I only know that once someone posted a list of shares ukyo should own. Though at the end the shares pretty much all were useless. The only worthwhile shares were ActM... which Ken stole practically. I still think that wasnt correct since he took shares privately owned by ukyo and traded them against a debt the company weex had against him. Its like taking 500 IPhones from the next Applestore because Apples CEO owes me money. Its not related... though thats Bitcoin... unregulated everywhere. At the end ken draw those coins down with ActM too.

Whatever... it doesnt matter what you or iam think. Sueing him for ukyo loan is worthless when you see the size of the loan. His private riches cant possible back this up. The same goes for weex and you dont even know there if the problem is taken by the company or by him privately. So that weex goes bankrupt and thats it. Debts dying with the company. Regardless of the outcome of a lawsuit there wouldnt be enough money to pay things back.

So i chose to believe him for now. Partly because i dont have a chance otherwise and partly because i can write with him and get a feeling about what is going on. I could have sued him but when i see it as a business decision i bet on ukyo being honest since chances there are simply better.

Quote from: jbreher on July 03, 2014, 09:45:31 PM

The last two paragraphs match to your post too. It doesnt matter if i believe ukyo, if you believe ukyo or if you believe me. It simply doesnt matter. If there would be a chance in sueing i would have done months ago.