Quote from: Phoenix1969 on July 04, 2014, 06:25:31 PM

Quote from: xhomerx10 on July 04, 2014, 05:49:11 PM

Quote from: The Avenger on July 04, 2014, 01:25:56 PM

Quote from: xhomerx10 on July 04, 2014, 01:14:01 PM

Well now to be fair, you have to read the entire article. Later in the article he "explains' the "lie":

This is where the lie comes into the picture. The video they uploaded to Youtube actually shows a significantly faster product than what they promised customers.

We said from the beginning that our product would do 350 GHz. Then, we went out and said that we had made some adjustments and gotten our chips to be faster. We did things like this a few times, says Andreas Kennemar.

We always knew that the chips would be faster. We lied to make customers happy and to confuse competitors. They didn t know where we d set the bar.

Well to be fair, that is a lie too.

Their jupiter launch video (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JFOcI8nK2xI) clearly stated where their bar was:

Quote from: The Avenger on October 11, 2013, 10:02:53 AM

"It's a 500 machine"

500GH/s
Then a week or so later they insisted if you got 400GH, that was all you were entitled to, even after their launch video promising 500GH/s+.

So they were liars in the sense of NOT delivering what they promised, i.e. liars

Quote from: The Avenger on December 22, 2013, 06:37:51 PM

I'll remind you for the 7 millionth time of this gem of knc's not-too-distant-past.

Quote from: AussieHash on November 15, 2013, 09:07:56 PM

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Hi,

We understand your concern regarding your miner not performing as well as others, however as your hash rate is higher than 400GH/s we cannot issue a RMA. We are continuously working on the firmware to improve performance and stability.

If you have any further questions or issues please do not hesitate in contacting us.

Best regards | Med vänlig hälsning
Keith Gurnett
Kncminer
www.kncminer.com
Office: +46 8559 253 20

So they just lied to people, nothing more or less. Like the lie of claiming they would deliever all units by Oct 15th, even though they knew from the beginning of October they could never achieve that. And a million others if I could be bothered to dig them out.

And I noted 3 other lies knc told to decieve customers above, please address those too if you wish to defend KNC's policy of deceipt.

Of course, you're right. I hadn't consider the fact that they said, "We have a 500 machine here for you."
Also, the earliest customers got either the 4VRM or crippled 8VRM machines and those ordering later got 8VRM machines which run cooler and faster and overclock really well.
AND the people hashing in their data center were (allegedly) compensated 4 BTC due to delays but the people having miners shipped a week late got none.
The more I think about it the worse it gets.

true, somewhat, if a bit backwards...... the 8 VRM Jupiters were the "early" ones.
Mostly, people got the 4 VRM Jupiters, which "overclocked" just fine tho.
The "lucky" few people who got the early 8VRM Jupiters normally had dead VRM's... unless you did some tweaking.
Now, with Neptune's power requirements, all come with 8 VRM's, with all 8 nearly "maxed out".

I paid in BTC on the first day of orders and should have had one of the first miners shipped. Mine is a 4 VRM using the GE Critical Power DC/DC converter. I run it over-clocked with a setting of 361. I have to open the case and put extra fans on it to keep it cool and the VRMs are over 50 amps - have been for a 4 months now.
A couple months ago I picked up a second hand October unit with 8 VRMs. The thing is, only 4 of them were enabled so I turned on the other 4 and did some tweaking. I run that one at 391 with no extra cooling and the case fully assembled. The highest VRM is running at 30 amps. So there is tons of room left for tweaking but those are the Ericsson DC/DC modules. My understanding is that the November modules use 8 Ericsson VRMs and can easily be run at 1000 GH/s with a little extra cooling and a beefed up power supply. I believe this because I am at 800 without really trying. The updated firmware is even specific to the October vs November devices. I even tried the November firmware on my October 8 VRM device and it did not work even though it also has 8 VRMS. Now all the Neptune modules must have 8 VRMs otherwise it would not be possible to supply the required power.