Quote from: RoadStress on July 06, 2014, 07:47:32 AM

Quote from: jimmothy on July 05, 2014, 11:40:43 AM

Just like how the neptune was a good deal in November? Or like how the monarch was a great deal in August? Or hashfast? Or blackarrow? Or cointerra?

Judging by other's failure has nothing to do with the future.

So the first 10 companies to go with preorders showed the community exactly how preorders fuck over everyone involved but with spongebobtech its totally different right?

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You chose to take the unnecessary risk of preordering hardware 5 months away. Historically there has never been a preorder which ended up cheaper than in stock hardware. Maybe this is your first time being suckered in to preorders, but please don't encourage noobs to make the same mistake.

Wouldn't you agree the best decision at the moment would have been to buy a few bitmain s1s? Just about all S1's ordered before april have reached a positive ROI in btc and barely depreciated in value.

Tell me when did the S1s reached positive ROI and how much does one S1 earn per month?

As for the depreciation you are misleading again. I see that 2 S1 are being sold for ~0.5 BTC. I don't see that much retention in value.

ANY S1 ordered before MAY with reasonable electricity costs (~0.15/kwh) has reached a positive ROI by today.

0.25 btc per S1 is still $150 or ~$50 less than it was sold for new in april.

How many sp10 bought in april have made a positive ROI in btc?

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I hate to brag but I am not at a loss from my investments at havelock. Yes AM has tanked but I have done fairly well speculating with the difficulty derivative.

Will you be so kind to share how many havelock investments have you done besides AM and the difficulty derivative?

Isn't the derivative a more financial instrument than a security investment?

Yes the derivative is more of a game/gambling but I encourage everyone with an accurate magic crystal ball to give it a shot.

I've never invested in anything other than AM as it's the only semi-legit offering IMO (could be better of course). I did throw away some change (~0.01btc) due to the neobee failure but I didn't really think/care about that.

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Quote from: jimmothy on July 05, 2014, 11:40:43 AM

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If you were unlucky enough to preorder an august batch sp30 directly from the website in april you paid ~26 BTC for one ~6TH or $2.8/gh..

jimmothy's math: 26BTC*450$=~12000$/5400GH=~~2.8$/Gh~~ <-- BIG MISINFORMATION, but actually it's 2.22$/Gh (for 5.4Th/s) and with the speed improve is down to 2$/Gh.

You know we are at $630/btc right?

If the sp30 is only 5400gh that would be $3/gh. That makes even the bfl monarchs look like a good deal.

So you are telling me that I paid for my March order 3$/Gh just because bitcoin is at $630 now? Next month when it will be at $1000 you will tell me that I paid 4.3$/Gh and so on.
I paid 2$/Gh in March! Calculating with today's price is simply stupid and so obvious bad intended. As previously said judging by looking back is easy Acting while looking into the future is the hard part.

The same analogy can be made for your 0 dividend AM shares. Unfortunately I don't know how many bitcoins you have invested into AM, but feel free to multiply them with 630$ and let me know how long will it take to get that amount back with your 0 dividends.

And your math sucks again. At $630/btc you come up with 2.7$/Gh, not 2.8$/Gh.

No you paid ~$2/gh for your march order because btc was around $630 then. If next month btc is at $1000 then yes, you will have massively overpaid.

I'm glad you admit that looking in to the future is hard, so how can you possibly justify gambling on preorders?

BTW about AM, the company has already ROI'd in only a month so I would say they are doing quite well.