Quote from: The Avenger on July 07, 2014, 09:49:17 AM

Quote from: AFox on July 07, 2014, 01:24:27 AM

Quote from: The Avenger on July 06, 2014, 11:26:32 PM

Neptunes selling for less than $7k on ebay. Those who spent $10k or $13k and are still waiting for delivery - we salute you! And KNC would like to thank you for your charitable donations to build their datorhalls.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/KNC-KncMiner-Neptune-3Ths-3-Ths-20nm-Bitcoin-BTC-Miner-First-Batch-3TH-IN-HAND-/331248909042
$6,600.00

http://www.ebay.com/itm/KNC-KncMiner-Neptune-3Ths-3-Ths-20nm-Bitcoin-BTC-Miner-First-Batch-3TH-IN-HAND-/231268676280?pt=US_Virtual_Currency&hash=item35d8aff2b8
$6,900.00

Quote from: The Avenger on July 02, 2014, 09:21:45 AM

Quote from: HardwareReviewer on July 02, 2014, 08:51:05 AM

Actually it currently takes 10 days with 3.3 TH/s to mine a bitcoin.

Damn that's bad.

Looks like Neptombers, all costs considered, paid about $2000 per bitcoin.

Quote from: The Avenger on July 04, 2014, 01:25:56 PM

So they just lied to people, nothing more or less. Like the lie of claiming they would deliever all units by Oct 15th, even though they knew from the beginning of October they could never achieve that. And a million others if I could be bothered to dig them out.

And I noted 3 other lies knc told to decieve customers above, please address those too if you wish to defend KNC's policy of deceipt.

Quote from: The Avenger on July 04, 2014, 11:38:08 AM

KNC's entire business is built on a pathological level of lies/fraud/deception/misrepresentation.

Nice summary of my points Cheesy

You are disputing those facts?

- Yes, Neptunes are selling for only $7k on ebay. Pretty bad for the guys still waiting on the rigs they paid $13k for.

- Yes, if you mine back about 6 btc with Neptune (which people on this forum are projecting is what they can mine with one Neptune), taking into account electricity costs, new fans, rewiring houses etc, then that leaves you about 5BTC. $10k divided by 5 = $2000/bitcoin. Is that math too hard for you to do on your own?

- Yes, they did lie about about delivering all rigs by 15th October. That's very old news, but a total fact. They said on 11th October they had only produced 700 units (https://www.kncminer.com/news/news-49), so they knew without a doubt then they could never ship the other 6-7000+ October units in the next 4 days. But did they admit that? No, they lied until the 16th October and then said they were 3 or 4 days behind in production. And then continued to ship units for another 2 weeks. And I know your math is bad, so let me reassure you that 3-4 days is not the same as 2 weeks. So that was total lies/deception too.

So based on these and many many more factors, - Yes, KNC's entire business is indeed built on a pathological level of lies/fraud/deception/misrepresentation. I'm sorry you think someone pointing out the facts is trolling, but I guess if you can't do basic math/logic, then everything is confusing.

- Ebay doesn't mean anything. We already saw that when it comes to miners on Ebay, sellers are most of the time scammers and buyers aren't really buyers, they just bid to troll. Also with Paypal buyers protections who would like to sell anything on Ebay.

- ROI on long terms is not impossible with Neptunes, specially with second miner (Neptune or Titan). The price of BTC isn't static.

By interpreting and inventing facts it's easy to say KNC is a bad company.
Go troll on BFL's topic, it a good environment for you.