Quote from: adhitthana on July 09, 2014, 01:48:33 AM

Quote from: bearjewpacabra on July 09, 2014, 01:04:07 AM

Well, if this was the case no one on the fucking planet would pay taxes. The threat of force and violence is the reason anyone allows themselves to be stolen from. The entire system is immoral and unethical and is based on retaliatory violence.

Not everyone sees it quite that way. Some believe it is possible to have some form of government and taxation and still be free to pursue their own goals.
In other words it is possible that people can voluntarily agree to pool resources for the common good.
Of course this takes a certain psychological posture within that society to have that happen peaceably, and life on earth seems to entail all sorts of ebbs and flows with regard to freedom.

But,yes, probably there are many examples today of the use of coercion rather than people voluntarily pooling resources.

"Some believe it is possible to have some form of government and taxation and still be free to pursue their own goals."
Not taxation with a threat of violence. Period. Slice it any way you want. Took me 2 years to finally admit I was being an asshole and lying to myself.

"In other words it is possible that people can voluntarily agree to pool resources for the common good."
Voluntarily pooling resources is not theft. That is called voluntarily pooling resources. You are comparing apples to oranges and attempting to build a straw man.

"But,yes, probably there are many examples today of the use of coercion rather than people voluntarily pooling resources."
Every single system used around the planet is based on coercion and violence. I honestly believe man acts very differently under a constant threat of retaliatory violence. Ever heard the term, 'violence begets violence'? Chew on that. I don't vote, I don't use ANY government resources that I am not FORCED to use(monopolized services IE roads). If a market alternative existed to the monopolized resources I am forced to use I would would use them in the blink of an eye. I am still stolen from, my children's future, is stolen... at the point of a gun. If I don't allow them to steal from me, men in blue and black costumes will show up at my house and attempt to 'legally; kidnap me and put me in a rape cage. Yes, 'legally' kidnapped and put into a cage with a very high probability of being raped.

What a fantastic fucking system we have. Just fan fucking tastic. Here is a quick definition of the immoral paradigm we currently exist in:

"The men with guns want your money. Give it to them, or you will be put in a cage. Resist, and you will be shot. Good day citizen"