Quote from: illodin on July 10, 2014, 12:40:38 AM

Quote from: othe on July 10, 2014, 12:10:07 AM

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"master nodes arent untraceable"
Doesn't monero have nodes? Yes? Are they untraceable?

Monero doesnt need nodes for mixing, If you use that argument than bitcoin is also centralized which is of course non-sense because its a p2p network.

Who said anything about mixing? Argument was that a government could take down the nodes of a coin or hold people running one liable for breaking whatever law.

Quote from: othe on July 10, 2014, 12:10:07 AM

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"Masternode centralization problem"
Doesn't monero have nodes? Yes? => "centralization problem"

Nonsene again, of course a p2p network uses nodes thats why its DECENTRALIZED.

Exactly, masternodes and regular wallets form a decentralized network.

Quote from: othe on July 10, 2014, 12:10:07 AM

But if you use "special" nodes for special tasks with closed source software all hosted at amazon, ovh and digital ocean...its hardly decentralized, i am just waiting for the first reports of abused and confiscated mixing nodes and people losing their money...

Source will be opened, in not so far future. And, when running a masternode, you can keep your 1000 coins in a local cold wallet, and the masternode's wallet doesn't even have to be encrypted! It doesn't hold any coins!

The reason that Amazon has so many masternodes, is because the first step-by-step guide to run one used Amazon as an example. This will change in time I'm sure. Here is the current node distribution by operator: http://drk.poolhash.org/darksend.html

Who said anything about mixing? Argument was that a government could take down the nodes of a coin or hold people running one liable for breaking whatever law. -illodin

Ok in this scenario , if the government decides to take down nodes for Bitcoin or Monero which wouldn't make much sense on their part, anyone who has a spare $20 can setup a new node in no time, Plus the taking down of nodes will not affect Monero's ability to provide anonymity in anyway. Bitcoin runs perfectly and it's Lacking nodes, Monero will also run perfectly if it ever lacks nodes

If the government decides to take down nodes for Darkcoin however, Darkcoin's entire coinjoin-based trivial, "anonymity" will be destroyed, as Darkcoin's coinjoin/mixing feature Relies on the centralized masternodes to mix a user's coins. Without the masternodes, Darkcoin is just another 50% instamined scamcoin.