Quote from: synechist on July 20, 2014, 07:45:41 PM

Quote from: wobbzz on July 20, 2014, 07:41:08 PM

Quote from: synechist on July 20, 2014, 07:32:15 PM

Quote from: leigh2k14 on July 20, 2014, 05:58:34 PM

Let me ask a few last questions: we have a multinode anon feature like as DRk? and we have a trustless mixer mixer on top? all fully working?

You have to excuse the confusion as Dan posted the following on the 15th of this month:

The current REV2 test-release will be updated, additional data collected and then the final rev2 will be released

Dan

I'm still confused?

Is it that fully operational multinodes with the 550 XC doesn't come till REV3? As I thought that we were getting the same set up as DRK in REV2 that was due out on the 7/7/14?

*edit: my autocorrect changed multinode to multimode. Multinode multipath means sending fragments to several nodes and not just one.

This compounds anonymity.

XC is not like DRK. DRK is semi-centralised, meaning that a small number of masternodes exist relative to the number of normal DRK wallets.

Every single XC app is an XC node. It's completely decentralised. This is an improvement on the masternode (generic term: supernode) for two reasons:
- you don't create supernodes, which are big attractive targets for hackers

- you don't doubly incentivise hackers by requiring a large amount of coins be kept at a supernode.

The 550XC requirement was for the "dynamic trust" concept for XC nodes. Since nodes are now trustless, we're still working out what the minimum balance will be. For now, you don't need 550XC.

Lastly, Rev 2 is multinode multipath trustless mixing. We released that on 7/7/14. The "final Rev 2" isn't any new features, its just the same features improved refined, and well-tested.

When we release the final Rev 2 it just means we've started building Rev 3. It doesn't mean we've put any new paradigms into it.

And yes, expect a new privacy feature for Rev 3.

Thanks synechist.

However, I still don't think you understand what we're saying. Nowhere has Dan said or documented that multinode multipath is in the released beta. I think we all agree that decentralized trustless mixing is released and functional on mainnet. I also think that we're all on the same page with regard to the updated xnode requirements.

Hmm... well, we promised multipath for Rev 2, and that's what we delivered, and then some.

I mean, it goes without saying that it's implemented.

On 7/7/14 it went live on testnet, and since then we've been refining it.

Le sigh... I'll continue to post references... And no, it doesn't go without saying because no one can verify in the source.

Here's the first REV2 release for mainnet. Note it says "decentralised trustless mixing", not multipath.

Quote from: atcsecure on July 11, 2014, 12:18:49 AM

http://downloads.xc-official.com/release/wallets/dtm-beta/XC-v0.9.2.3x11-coin-1.0.zip

I have good news: Rev 2 Beta 2 is now on mainnet!

You can now download it from the url posted.

This is not the final Rev 2 app. Anon features are only accessible from the command line. However, decentralised trustless mixing is working through a simple rpc command via the debug console.

This is beta software. Please back up your wallet.dat before using it. Also this release changes everything to XCurrency including the %appdata% directory

An updated UI will be released with the privacy mode available through the coin control page.

If your testing the distmix command, read the distmix.txt in the zip

PM me with any issues or questions

ATCSECURE

Next minor update... just an openssl fix. No multipath.

Quote from: atcsecure on July 11, 2014, 12:54:35 AM

Updated Link, openssl updated

http://downloads.xc-official.com/release/wallets/dtm-beta/XC-v0.9.2.3.zip

Oh, here's another update. Still no multipath.

Quote from: atcsecure on July 11, 2014, 03:22:02 AM

http://downloads.xc-official.com/release/windows/XC-v0.9.2.3.zip

updated

there was a bug, on TX OUT, resolved

And another update with U/I enhancements. Still no mention of multipath.

Quote from: atcsecure on July 12, 2014, 03:49:40 PM

http://downloads.xc-official.com/release/windows/XCv0.9.2.40XCurrency-2.42.zip

Here is the updated beta with support for private transactions through the UI, no more debug console needed

To you use, enable coin control, and then hit the checkbox next to "Send"

Please keep in mind this is still a test release, additional updates are still coming

I'll skip the EM updates in the interest of not boring people...

And finally, the last heard from Dan...

Quote from: atcsecure on July 16, 2014, 11:22:51 PM

Quote from: btell on July 16, 2014, 10:18:56 PM

Quote from: synechist on July 16, 2014, 10:15:04 PM

Quote from: btell on July 16, 2014, 10:13:13 PM

Yes you are right.

But you guys forget, the same trick I can easily make with BTC. There are many mixers too.

So this kind of anonymity is not a destiny choice feature, that I should leave well tested & open source BTC and switch to poorly tested & closed source XC. Agree?

Hiding your addresses? No, you can't perform the same trick with BTC because ONLY XC has trustless mixing.

Sorry, while XC sources remain closed, I need to trust in Dan (XC's dev) I never ever seen in real life nor been a friend of.

So neither BTC nor XC has trustless mixing today (and possibly many months or years if ever).

XC has decentralized trustless mixing today and the source code will be open sourced in the future

Still no mention of multipath.

Edit. Still no mention of multipath multinode.