Quote from: darkota on July 12, 2014, 10:52:43 PM

Quote from: Brilliantrocket on July 12, 2014, 10:41:56 PM

Anonymint has been spending the past couple of days tearing apart XMR. From his posts, it's clear that their solution is nowhere near perfect. So they put in all this effort, have a coin that is non-compatible with Bitcoin api, generates tons of bloat, and in the end there are still big loopholes. What was the purpose of all that effort, if not to create a bulletproof coin? Not sure if that renders all Cryptonote coins DOA, but it sure raises questions. What is the purpose of CN coins if they have all these negatives, but few real positives?

Quote from: darkota on July 09, 2014, 10:48:31 PM

Quote from: Brilliantrocket on July 09, 2014, 10:37:26 PM

Are you being disingenuous or do you just suck at math? If you have twice the blockchain growth with just a tiny fraction of the transactions, what do you think will happen if you were at real volumes?

Transaction identification by prefix: this feature will let us to cut off ring signatures from blockchain that under checkpoint - save space by 30-70%(depends of mixin usage) -Crypto_Zoidberg, Boolberry

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=577267.0

Whoa, I wonder what that is, I wonder if you seperate the daemon and wallet, that you can create light clients so you dont have to download the full blockchain, just like with Bitcoin!

It's funny to see that you completely ignore the other points, when you've been outed as a Liar. Lmfao.

In the above quote, BrillianRocket(A huge darkcoin fanboy), wanted to know how Cryptonote's bloat of the blockchain issue could be solved, I answered that for him(He lied in a previous quote, so I addressed that too)

Quote from: darkota on July 09, 2014, 07:08:55 PM

I've listed the Flaws of Darkcoin and Monero.

Darkcoin's Flaws:

1) Darkcoin has a 50% instamine by it's own developers during launch, as the block reward was set to 500, and there was no windows wallets/miners. Evan, the developer, and Internetape, the other developer, instamined over 1million Darkcoin's within 24 hours.

2) Darkcoin's name itself, Darkcoin, will always be affiliated with illegal activity like the Darkweb, Drugs, etc, and the name itself ensures that Darkcoin will never reach anything close to mainstream acceptance.

3) Darkcoin's "anonymity" is based on coinjoin, it simply mixes users coins around, making it harder to track it. However, if even the slightest taint if found when mixing the coins, an investigator will be able to deduce who sent what and who received what. The maker of coinjoin, Gmaxwell, deeply criticized Darkcoin since it's coinjoin based "anonymity" is basically a joke.

4) Darkcoin's mixing system/coinjoin relies on something called Masternodes, Masternodes are nodes that are set up by people, anyone can set one up, and Masternodes are the things that mix the coin around. Masternodes also present many risks besides giving trivial "anonymity", if all masternodes are owned by one individual, he will be able to "de-anonymize" Darkcoin and see all transactions clearly.

5) Darkcoin's Masternode Payment system has forked the network many times, and has failed Twice in the effort to pay the owners of Masternodes.

6) Darkcoin's Masternode/Darksend system is closed source, so that means the developers could be stealing coins, or doing any other malicious things, and it will remain unnoticed

7) The Masternodes can always be DDOSed, effectively shutting them down, if the majority of Masternodes were taken offline(they are mostly hosted on Amazon servers), then Darkcoin's trivial anonymity will completely shut off

Cool

There are many many other flaws, it will take up too much space to list, so I've listed the main ones.

Monero's Flaws:

1) Monero's bloating/scaling is an issue, where the blockchain itself takes up a lot of space on someone's computer, however, there have solutions to this, as shown by Crypto_Zoidberg, after he fixed this issue with his own coin. The issue has pretty much been fixed anyway, since bloating was caused by dust payments from pools, and with a recent update, those dust payments have been taken off. But because I think it will look to unfair compared to Darkcoin's 101 flaws, I had to list a "flaw" for Monero Tongue

2) That's it.

In the above quote, BrilliantRocket, who is a huge Darkcoinfaboy/Bagholder, is given the many Flaws of Darkcoin vs the 1 "flaw"(it's been fixed, but I wanted to make it seem "fair") of Monero.

Quote from: darkota on July 09, 2014, 09:52:39 PM

Quote from: Brilliantrocket on July 09, 2014, 09:45:42 PM

Here is the post I referrenced earlier. It's quite a long post, but the part concerning CN is near the middle. And please don't bring up where he says Darkcoin is simple coinjoin (older post) , he acknowledges that it isn't further down.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=557732.msg7513123#msg7513123

CryptoNote doesn't hide the amount and the payer is mixed with a limited number of numerous other potential payers, so the IP correlation can be used to narrow the possibilities statistically and home in on identity, by observing patterns across all users. Thus the lack of IP address obfuscation in CryptoNote (assuming Tor is really a honey pots, and or most users fail to employ Tor) reduces the anonymity. -gmaxwell

While it may not be able to scale at Bitcoin levels, Monero's chain atm is twice Bitcoins, which is very reasonable considering it gives the highest level of anonymity there is for cryptocoins right now. He also doesn't say Anything about it being impossible to reduce, why you may ask? Because Crypto_Zoidber already reduced it for his own coin and reduced bloat by 50%-70%, and Monero also reduced the majority of the bloat, which was caused by dust transactions. Again, BrilliantRocket, it's either you greatly misinterpret information given to you, or you lie and try to manipulate others with selective wording

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CoinJoins algorithm suffers from not being atomic and thus it can be repeatedly jammed by an adversary, i.e. denial-of-service. This is because first the inputs have to be collected, then the outputs have to blind signed with a group signature, and then finally all inputs have to signed. If any one of the participant senders fails to complete all the steps, the transaction is jammed and the process must start again. All proposals for throttling or blacklisting adversaries was argued to be ineffective and intractable. Darkcoin innovated CoinJoin by adding a collateral payment which is forfeited by participants who fail to complete all steps. This requires a random master node to break the unlinkability as it knows the matching output of each input. It is assumed that not all master nodes will be adversaries and thus sending multiple times through different master nodes will provide a probablistic level of unlinkability. The master nodes are purchased and it isnt clear that a sufficiently powerful adversary couldn't sufficiently Sybil attack by acquiring a larger percentage of the master nodes. There is also concern this might also enable the adversary to steal collateral payments. Also the master nodes arent untraceable and thus could perhaps be held liable by governments for breaking AML and KYC laws. CoinJoin and Darkcoin suffer from the simultaneity timing problem that other spenders need to send spends of the same amount simultaneously. -gmaxwell

Gmaxwell also shows that while Darkcoin have "advanced" coinjoin, it still suffers from the same issues, not to mention the Masternode centralization problem.

Darkcoin's anonymity is simply put, Trivial and Inferior to Cryptonote anonymity.

In the above quote, I copied/pasted Anonymint's words about Cryptonote/Coinjoin(Darkcoin). BrilliantRocket, had previously lied in an earlier post, so I copied Gmaxwell's wording on Cryptonote, and his wording on Darkcoin. Here is one quote from Gmaxwell concerning Masternodes themselves, " Also the master nodes arent untraceable and thus could perhaps be held liable by governments for breaking AML and KYC laws."

What do those three quotes have in common you may ask? All 3 of them show evidence diretly against the Lies BrilliantRocket was saying. He has yet to take on any of the evidence I have presented. There you have it, now you can all see how everything he has said was proven to be wrong, and why Darkcoin is the worst, if not, one of the worst "cur

This thread is filled with lies, hype, and broken promises.

Bagholders trying to get the price up so they can dump on fools. Nothing new in crypto and I don't blame them. I would do the same if I was underwater on my investment. That doesn't mean that I'm not going to point out the bullshit when I see it.

Many of the accounts posting all the hype are probably just a couple users using multiple accounts. Isn't it odd that a community this large and only the same ten or so people doing most of the hype? I think most people have their suspicions but are afraid to voice them for fear of being attacked. I would be happy to post any questions or statements from any individual that does not want to get on the wrong side of the Darkcoin police or be ostracized from the community. This coin is all about anonymity so you should be able to remain anonymous.

Send me a PM if there are any questions/concerns you have regarding Darkcoin and I'll get it posted up for you.