Quote from: quarkfx on July 14, 2014, 01:07:17 PM

Quote from: cryptohunter on July 14, 2014, 12:53:29 PM

Please tell me PRECISELY some negatives of introducing a companion coin in the way i have suggested in detail. I am still waiting to hear ONE negative.
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Tell me ONE precise negative of the companion coin introduced through QRK only IPO above and beyond the negatives every single other competing crypto coin ? i am listening. I have given over and over all of the possible benefits. I mean hell if we can't even make 30% of the possible benefits work out for us. Let's quit now and join some communities that can get some things going.
Lot's of benefits with ZERO negatives? and we are still thinking about it?

I can accept your oppinion but you also need to accept that people already provided their arguments against this solution (e.g. Y3llowb1ackbird - I [and others] covered his concerns).

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If you think these are coming back to take on DRK,XC, basically any of the new wave of coins with well funded full time developers and promotional teams you are wrong.

Development funds can be raised without pumping "just another coin" (if that´s what the companion coin would be - if it would be better I don´t see why people shouldn´t sell off all their QRK and go with this coin).

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5. half the community is against any kind of new features - the same features that have boosted dark way above qrk in terms of interest and activity within the crypto community.

Again, that is pure assumption. Everyone I spoke with had no problems with additional features.

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Let me tell you about another version of the qrk story starting a year ago

1. we had a dev pot
2. we had a dev that was fully active this last year with money to finance him
3. finance for marketing and funding other teams not just a handful of people who help when they can
4. qrk that stopped most of our BTC leaking to dark and BC
5. qrk that had lots of on going projects and services giving hope to investors to hold their positions and increase them
6. qrk that had active investors on this board that were also active in investing in ROI projects.
7. qrk that was at 50k sats not 2k and sinking.

I want that qrk thanks.

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I have great faith in qrks core team. But they are too small and too poorly funded to compete with larger coin communities that are very active and very well funded. QRKS algo and tech will not save us from anything.

Your main problem seems to be funding. I also think we need funding for development and community building - but raising that funds with just another shitcoin? Why not raising it from the community then? How many Quarks would you be talking?

I can accept your oppinion but you also need to accept that people already provided their arguments against this solution (e.g. Y3llowb1ackbird - I [and others] covered his concerns).

I see no valid argument. A valid argument should be able to give at least 1 specific negative other than it could provide competition to qrk. This is what the other 400 alts bring without any benefits. So i see no valid argument only sweeping statements that break down under scrutiny.

Development funds can be raised without pumping "just another coin" (if that´s what the companion coin would be - if it would be better I don´t see why people shouldn´t sell off all their QRK and go with this coin).

1 . tell me the other way of raising development funds that is realistic without a super block
2. pumping? well pumping is not the correct phrase for creating features that generate enthusiasm and incoming BTC and new blood. There is natural organic pumping. That is what we want
3. I have already covered why some one would not sell off all of their qrk. It is for a different purpose. It will not be acceptable to main stream business having anon features for one. Again the new coins developments and services will be open to qrk also. Why would you swap all of your qrk into the new coin? I would not. QRK is going to be acceptable to mainstream business and can be used on any services the companion coin can be used on.

Your main problem seems to be funding. I also think we need funding for development and community building - but raising that funds with just another shitcoin? Why not raising it from the community then? How many Quarks would you be talking?

1. tell me the realistic alternatives other than a super block. The vast majority of qrk holders never visit this board and we have no hope of getting in touch with them.
2. another shit coin ?? a coin with core development team bringing features that the market wants and funding for marketing/ services and roi projects is not another shitcoin. The market does not accept that coins like this are shit coins hence XC , BC and DRK being more highly regarded than qrk itself. We have to stop thinking of any other coins as shitcoins. That is the problem a new shitcoin can emerge tomorrow with a lot more to offer and in a better position than qrk has backed itself into right now. Yes we'd like to think of it as coin 421 another shit coin. The market probably looks at qrk right now as a shitcoin. It is all a matter of perspective.

Let's talk specifics only. I would love to hear 1 negative aside from it could give some competition to qrk.

Even if it did, the foudation who would be selling the companion coin control the QRK pot. They need not dump it straight on the market and cause any change to the price. They have control of how many of the companion coin they sell, what they do with the QRK incoming etc. This is far different from other competition coins that cause the QRK to be dumped to BTC before being converted into the new alt providing the competition. It is really not even comparable to the competition total rival alts bring, also they bring no advantages to qrk... our companion coin would bring many.

Anyway of course it is possible far smarter people than myself who are at the core of qrk have better solutions. However, it would be good for the rest of the qrk community and the community at large to eventually get to hear about them since when ever i see qrk mentioned outside of the qrk thread it is accompanied by words like dead coin, abandoned project, pump and dump, etc. Be nice to hear some positivity and some kind of future prospects. If the core knows a better solution, let's get on with it because at 200sats again qrk has little purchasing power with regard the man power we need.

Yes i want to believe all of a sudden the qrk foundation will annouce some plans to solve all of qrks problems. I don't feel that they will do any time soon though. We need radical changes to bring us back in line with other leading new coins or we will die.

I do not believe in qrks case donations will work. Raising funds will not work for use perhaps only through ROI projects but nobody will want to run those without some kind of incentive.

5. half the community is against any kind of new features - the same features that have boosted dark way above qrk in terms of interest and activity within the crypto community
Again, that is pure assumption. Everyone I spoke with had no problems with additional features.

Really? let's ask for a vote on here about who wants anon and pos incorporated into qrk itself? a lot i saw said no way straight out? i could be wrong but i think a lot will reject these new features coded directly into qrk itself.

It's great we are discussing these things. It's great you are one of the people passionate about qrk. Not many are it seems. However we need to talk specifics.

Please list exact specific negatives of the qrk only ipo companion coin. If there are some i have not thought of then that is great let's scrap this idea and start brain storming another solution.