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Re: PoS

I don't know what Dan's opinion is, but if a service is not interested in adopting BTC, they are almost certainly not going to use XC. I appreciate you agreeing with my post (and relatedly appreciate the work you do), but I'm not sure you read my post carefully as a central point is that PoS is a (nearly) complete waste of time. PoS is offered by large, slow moving corps to boring retailers and used by clueless consumers. It's pretty much the worst channel to target with a cutting edge CC.

Good targets are channels and services that have adopted BTC but would be significantly better off with an anonymous currency. This is dark markets, internet payment platforms, etc. Decision makers at these services get CCs, and are the most likely to be receptive to XC's value proposition.

By contrast, the brick and mortar world is filled with decision makers that aren't even interested in BTC! Anyone not interested in BTC is not interested in XC, full stop. The advantages of XC (anonymity, potentially other features) do not COME CLOSE to overshadowing the advantages of BTC (massive existing adoption and ecosystem, name recognition, higher price stability, etc.) such that if I am not interested in BTC I might be interested in XC.

The areas to target are areas where BTC is understood and adopted, and XC offers clear advantages or at least is an easy to offer alternative. I.e. existing internet payment platforms and any ecommerce services used by highly privacy focused users.

Yes, you're right about the cluelessness of traditional POS markets.

The thing is, this only matters if you have to integrate new tech into the POS platform.

With NFC payments, an XC mastercard, and in-app XC purchases with fiat, there'll be no need for any backend integration. So it's an incredibly efficient way to get massive market penetration, and it'll lower the barrier to entry for normal non-techie people right down to the floor.

But to my broader point about the issues with PoS, that functionality doesn't have market demand and piggy-backing on existing payment networks doesn't solve the issue (and by the way, any piggy-backing service is centralized, which we are not supposed to like). So for example, if I am choosing between swiping my XC (mastercard) card and my normal mastercard at Target, what do I get out of using the former? The XC mastercard service presumably debits some XC account I have to fund the dollar payment it makes, which is fine, but why is that better than just debiting an account with dollars in it?

Is it because the XC mastercard service does not bother to confirm my identity before making dollar payments on my behalf? That seems like it would run afoul of anti-money laundering regulations. Even ignoring that (probably dealbreaker) issue, if I am so privacy conscious that I won't use BTC or Visa, why am I comfortable making purchases in XC in person at Target in front of a security camera? And shouldn't I just be using actual cash at this point?

I just can't think of any situation where a user wouldn't be comfortable using BTC or Visa on a PoS terminal but WOULD be comfortable using XC. So what is the value proposition of PoS?

Then you shouldn't touch cryptos especially cryptos with bulletproof privacy. Stick with credit card where all of your purchasing behaviors are tracked so you can be marketed to....

So your thesis is that XC will serve people who are so worried about being marketed to based on purchase history that using BTC is not private enough? That they are so worried that Catalina Marketing is going to do blockchain analysis to figure out how to help P&G send them an ad for diapers that BTC doesn't cut it?

Privacy is defined by yourself. If you feel that however you spend your hard earned money is not just your own private business, then by all means, do what you feel like. As for me, I love my privacy.