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Do I hear crickets??

Barabbas, Patrick just answered your question...the stake can not be calculated without the coin weight included.

Excuse me?? What you say is that, in reality, it is impossible to know how many coins are staking, REAL COINS, at any and all times? Is that it?. Because if that is it, I can't think of any bigger bullshit I have heard in my entire -and quite long- life so far...

So, that is to say that for a coin with 26.8 million coins presently, -which, according to you, are impossible to account for, so it will be an arbitrary, perhaps approximate number-, it is OK to have 30 million or even more coins staking at any given moment? All of that while the exchanges are loaded with MILLIONS of coins available for trading, which are NOT staking? Is that what you are saying? Let me get it from the horse's mouth because my fingers are really itching to type what I am coming with if this bullshit position is even pretended to be maintained...

Now, since you seem to be answering for Patrick (crickets), what is your answer to the transfer of 200,000 VRC to the exchange "to help stabilize the price"? and whatever happened to them? I'm sure you will have abundant answers for those two floaters also...

Yes, it is impossible to know exactly how many coins are staking at one moment. This is the case for every PoS coin. It's not possible to stake more than 26.8M but the "effective" stake could be higher due to coin age.

As for the coins during the hack, I have all of them. I put up both buy and sell walls to ensure that if anyone lost anything, it would be me. I didn't gain or lose any VRC or BTC. I'm not sure how many more times I'll have to answer this, but the only exchange I did anything on was Bittrex and you are free to ask them whether my balance now is the same as before.

Well Patrick I cannot know where you may have answered that question before but as far as I know -and many others- you haven't answered it HERE, on this forum, where the question has been posed a few times. It is still a bit flimsy, if you ask me, what you just answered... You transferred 200k VRC to bittrex to put on SELL orders ONLY. You have not said here -again, to my knowledge- that you put any BUY orders -like you just have said a moment ago-. I didn't think you would have a bunch of BTC hanging around to do that...AND, more importantly, I still FAIL to see what the "stabilizing" point was to have 200k VRC FOR SALE... It just doesn't make any sense. Let me see the picture that you paint in a bit more detail: Youy transferred 200k of YOUR COINS to bittrex and put up several SELL orders with them "becauser you did not wanted anyone but you to lose anything". You are a bright kind and you will see that that makes absolutely no sense at all, right? If anything, your sell orders would take the price down, more or less significantly. Now, since NOW, you claim to have also put some BUY orders in, how many BTC dis you put in play? And at what levels? Because a lot of people were trying to sell indeed... Depending on the amount of BTC -sorry but my understanding is that you are a man of very small financial resources-, BUYING orders would have helped indeed to prop up the price. And, if so, how come you have never mentioned, much less in specific details, until now?

You would understand that I would qualify the "explanation" as "flimsy", right?

I'll tell you what, why don't you just jump right out on your bright pal "socal"'s bandwagon and call me a fudster and you can continua not answering at all or answering selectively, in place and in subject matters?

This is not looking very good Pat, not at all.

Very few VRC and BTC even touched orders due to the exchanges freezing quickly. Less than 100k VRC and 5 BTC. I am not a man of very small financial resources. I am a graduate student with not a very large salary however I have been very successful in other ventures and investing in the past. Frankly, that is none of your business anyhow. And it's not my duty to report on what orders I had or didn't have as there was no net loss or gain. As I said before, go ahead and ask Bittrex about me and my balances if you're so interested. I'm not going to address the issue publicly anymore and if you are truly interested you can feel free to message me directly.

Maybe I'm just not that intelligent. I didn't go to a top 23 University, after all (remember that post of yours?).

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http://vrcstake.ticonerd.com/ went trough the roof lol

why is the 24 high at 28M when total coins is only 26M?

i would like to know that too

Yeah the stake is not directly coins. It's a coin weight that includes coinage (time since last earned interest for each coin). It's essentially normalized including coinage and is close to the total coins staking but a bit more complex. Nonetheless this is some historic staking for POS I suspect and is near the realistic maximum. Impressive show of community strength! Kudos to all you guys! Go VeriCoin!

Hey Doug, at the end pf the day you are going to have to explain this a whole lot more clearly so EVERYONE can understand because right now, before the end of the day, this is starting to sound suspiciously, very suspiciously, like a whole lot of CRAP.

How can a coin that has a max of less than 26 mill coins, all already mined during the POW stage, has now 28 million coins STAKING? This is preposterous. Everyone knows that there are A LOT of coins still NOT STAKING and lying on the exchanges (I know I have quite a few and they are not staking a single VRC), so how the heck can so many coins be staking? An understandable answer, without ANY bull shit, is required rather immediately, long before the end of the day, ok?

Ok first off these aren't fake numbers (this is not a scam).
Since the dawn of PoS network stake is a weight including coinage. The reason is for fair distribution of staking. If the number of coins is the only factor involved in determining the probability of a node solving a block then the small wallets would hardly ever stake. So this weight is actually the appropriate stake value for fair distribution of the stake.

However it would be much more intuitive to monitor just the number of coins currently staked. This number is in the code but is not accessible in a function of its own without coinage, because the age determines which coins in a given wallet are actually staking. In the next wallet Update though I will add this pure total coin staking value as that would be more of an appropriate value to intuitively monitor. Nonetheless the weight is not going to be too much bigger than the total.

What would you consider "too much bigger" Doug? We have had a high of over 28 million just in the past 24 hours and I believe it would be quite safe to assume that at least 6 or more million of the total 26.8 million are deposited currently in the different exchanges, quite probably significantly more than 6 million, so if the maximum REAL number was, for instance, 20 million coins -and I DO NOT believe that many have been staking, not even close-, and the weighted coin age network number surpassed 28 million, you would still think the number would not "be too much bigger"?

And, by the way, you just contradicted Patrick -and the choir boys- making abundantly clear what is even more abundantly obvious: That you can indeed know THE EXACT number of coins staking at any given moment, the REAL number of coins. It would be quite nice if any, at least Patrick, would acknowledge it, don't you think?

Doug is the primary wallet dev. He said there's no way to know the exact number of staking coins, and in the current wallet, there is no way. We have to build in the support (I'm not even sure it's practical to do myself) which I believe Doug is capable of doing.

Feel free to ask Sunny King, the creator of PoS, for details on network stake weight and total number of staking coins.