Quote from: Johnny Mnemonic on August 16, 2014, 08:44:44 AM

Quote from: neuroMode on August 16, 2014, 06:03:09 AM

I have a question about Quazarcoin being linked to the original scam artist devs of Bytecoin:

If it's a scam, how is the dev OracionSeis benefiting? If it is was indeed a scam, the dev had an excellent opportunity to "cash out" when QCN hit Poloniex and soared to ~ 0.01 QCN/BTC. Why keep the whole thing going after this? Why post in the thread almost every day? Why is there no obvious bashing of Monero by the dev?

I like the investigative work you did, but you sort of call out QCN in your rage and don't really go into detail about anything else. Nothing I've seen over the past month or so makes any sense in the context of it being a scam. If it is one...it's a pretty damn harmless one.

Not sure if you read up thread, but look into how QCN started. OracionSeis attempted to hijack the community by maliciously forking Monero's code base and relaunching as Monero. After failing to do so, he deleted his original posts/threads before renaming the coin to QCN. I used to have archive.org links on hand for proof, but you can do some digging and find them yourself.

"Hijacking the community" really makes no sense--nobody can hijack a community. I don't have access to any of the drama but I see mentions of it early in the QCN threads so I cannot really comment on this further.

Was he just upset about how Monero was launched? Was he on the dev team of Monero and didn't like how things were operating/progressing? Or is the OP claiming in a roundabout way that OracionSeis is part of the original Bytecoin team (proof?) and that he is trying to destroy Monero out of vengeance by forking Bytecoin and launching his own coin?

If the launch of Quazarcoin was a malicious act towards Monero and its community, it's failing hard at appearing and being malicious. As of now it simply exists as an alternative cryptonote coin with altered coin specifications and different development path. If OracionSeis was driven purely by malevolent intent, surely he would give up developing a coin that was not having the desired effect. It's a huge waste of time to put months of effort into keeping a coin alive (regardless of how well he is actually developing things).

As an outsider looking in on cryptonotes and QCN's existence, this is a situation that at worst looks like a disgruntled member of Monero/Bytecoin that was not happy with something (I still don't know what) and launched his own cryptonote coin as a result. At best, it looks like an alternative cryptonote coin that aims to develop a very "primitive" and "young" cryptonote technology down its own path.

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The information about Quazarcoin in the OP doesn't really get any more specific than:

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Coincidentally, and completely unrelated (hurr durr), Quazarcoin, Fantomcoin, and Monetaverde are all also on Sourceforge. This gives us a frame of reference and a common link between them - it's quite clear that at least these three are run by the same team as CryptoNote.

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They (former CryptoNote/Bytecoin developers(?)) launched a series of cryptocurrencies that should be avoided at all cost: Fantomcoin, Quazarcoin, and Monetaverde. They are likely behind duckNote and Boolberry, but fuck it, it's on your head if you want to deal with scam artists and botnet creators.

None of this is really damning evidence to be honest, and even if it were correct, what the hell is the problem
when you get right down to it? So 3 Cryptonote coins were launched like normal and any person can go judge how active they are for themselves.

And as for the "scam artists and botnet creators" claim, I have to say this: There are much easier ways to scam people in today's cryptocurrency landscape than to launch a forked version of Bytecoin "without a premine or instamine" and keep devving it long after QCN's price had peaked the first week it went on Poloniex. Scam should have been over then, dev checks out with his BTC and doesn't show his face again, right? That's not really what's happening with QCN. OracionSeis might be concocting some super-long elaborate scam that involves lying to a bunch of investors, but none of that is really happening either. If he is a botnet creator, he's doing a very bad job of keeping the buying pressure consistently elevated so he can make massive returns with his botnet. He would be spending 100% of his time on PR and marketing and not devving, right? Well, that's not happening and there aren't QCN shills running rampant trying to hype QCN every day.