Quote from: rethink-your-strategy on August 16, 2014, 02:48:35 PM

Quote from: neuroMode on August 16, 2014, 01:09:15 PM

Amen. I don't understand all the finger pointing at all the other cryptonote coins. "They are scams and should be avoided like the plague," we are told, but how are they scams? We are left to do guesswork based on circumstantial evidence that really doesn't mean jack shit even if it were all true anyways. How does their existence represent some spiteful vengeance against Monero by the Bytecoin team? How can the various coins and this Cryptonote coingen actually impact the price of Monero to any substantial degree? If anything an attempt to dilute the cryptonote community with vast number of cryptonote forks will only exacerbate the indifference to any coin not named Monero.

CryptoNote coins are still very rough around the edges. The technology still needs to be developed. We have a healthy number of coins that are all developing cryptonote down their own unique paths, just as if 5-10 bitcoin alternatives existed a month after Satoshi released bitcoin. Why not let those groups try different things and see which one applies the best ideas of the bunch? Natural selection by a free market.

neuroMoan, I added another section called "All Tied Up in a Bow" that goes further to prove the link between all the scamcoins. Go read it.

I'm not against new CN-based coins hitting the market, but given the evidence we've seen of the CryptoNote/Bytecoin fuckery it's best to treat them all with ridiculous amounts of caution unless a very well known member of the community is involved.

Ok, I read it. You have brought forth more evidence that the cryptonote coins are likely related. Cool.

Now let's assume that you have 100% undeniable, completely verifiable proof that people connected to Bytecoin/CryptoNote at some level are responsible for the launches of QCN, FCN, MCN, etc. Now answer this for me:

What is the extent of fuckery that they can perform using these coins and how can they scam people with it? Or are they just out to get Monero (which would be accomplished how? By making their coin as successful as possible and prying the community away from Monero? By not doing any of the things below to risk the integrity of their coin?
-Hidden blocks?
-Falsified premine?
-Ninja launch/instamine?
-Pump on fake developments in order to cash out botnet earnings?
-Use botnets to pulverize the value of the coin into nothing (no pumping, just pure downhill sledding) and then launch a new coin and repeat?
-Secret weapons of mass mining destruction?
-Ring signatures are actually square?
-Anything else?

How many of these things are actually happening in any of the coins right now?
How many of these things are accompanied by a dev that acts strangely?
How many of these things can be sniffed out fairly easily by the community?

If the cryptonote coins are being malevolently run by scammers then these scammers are an odd bunch compared to the POS coin scammers. Who the heck gets all pissy at Monero for exposing their Bytecoin scam and decides to release a few merge mining coins that make the guys they are all pissed at richer? This alone makes no sense and I would like an explanation.