Quote from: freehugs on August 18, 2014, 12:35:08 AM

Quote from: zedicus on August 17, 2014, 08:54:59 PM

Quote from: galbros on August 17, 2014, 12:53:46 AM

Most of these effects go away once you adjust for years of experience and the job. The latter is far more important than the former.

I think this is exactly why women tend to make less then men in the workplace. It really has nothing to do with anything other then qualifications and experience. One way to explain the difference in experience is that women tend to take time off from work to raise a family and during this time off they are not gaining additional experience. Also when women do return to work they have a much higher rate of changing career paths, resetting the total amount of related experience in a particular field.

I think this more or less sums it up. By spending more time in the workforce men have more overall experience and more opportunities for advancement.

Exactly. Just because there is a discrepancy automatically assuming it is because of sexism is unscientific at least and disingenuous at worst. I say this type of assumption is sexist against men. Having equality doesn't mean everything is exactly equal and the same like when you and your little sister argued about your toys and such. In reality no one is equal to anyone else, that's why they call us individuals.

Men work longer hours, and work in more dangerous jobs. They should be paid more for that risk, a risk most women clearly don't like taking in general. No one says they can't, but just because they aren't doesn't mean some shadowy unnamed misogynist boogeyman somewhere is stopping them.

Quote from: acs267 on August 17, 2014, 06:16:44 PM

Quote from: blumangroup on August 17, 2014, 06:10:44 PM

How many women can be contruction workers, handymen, plumbers, all that. I don't mean to be sexist in any way but that is how it should be. Men are expected to run the family anyways and pay for things.

Quote from: TECSHARE on August 17, 2014, 11:09:25 AM

Over 90% of all workplace deaths are men. Men are working more dangerous jobs, and working more hours. Why shouldn't they be paid more? This "women are paid less" thing is a myth. They don't do the same job, therefore they don't get paid the same. End of debate.

So, your saying since some men work more dangerous jobs, they should get paid more in a office job than a female office worker? My job isn't really that dangerous. Your being strictly biased if you think because there's a male construction worker, than a male office worker should get paid more than a female worker, because his gender takes on 'more dangerous jobs'.

Do you have any basic concept of how statistics and averages work or is that whole math thing not important to you when looking over statistics?
More men working dangerous jobs and longer hours = higher average pay.

I don't know what your personal observations are, but that's all they are, personal observations (ie not statistically relevant). Just because women choose to work safer jobs with more flexible hours doesn't mean someone somewhere is oppressing them and preventing them from making more sacrifices to meet an equal pay level.

The Gender Equality Paradox - Documentary NRK - 2011 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p5LRdW8xw70
In Norway, considered one of the most gender equal places on earth, in spite of extensive programs to create workplace gender diversity, what actually happened was when given more choices people actually separated by gender MORE. They also found that in developing economies there are an exceptional amount of female engineers and scientists. This leads one to the conclusion that those kind of jobs are taken as matter of economic necessity, not by choice. When all that is available is an engineering job, that is what you take like it or not.

The gender wage gap is a myth http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vyFjPHwF6To