Quote from: klokan on August 21, 2014, 06:36:22 AM

Quote from: JorgeStolfi on August 21, 2014, 03:36:01 AM

Quote from: gweedo on August 21, 2014, 02:50:39 AM

They weren't priced in euros or usd when I purchased mine, they were priced 3 BTC for mine and 1 BTC for the plastic.

But, sincerely, I would not feel sorry for Satoshilabs if they are forced to refund you 3 BTC. It would teach them not to quote prices in BTC (and, more generally, that business and religion do not mix). Grin

(Sorry for being cynical. Maybe I need to take a long break from this forum.)

In Czech Republic, accounting act #563/1991 § 4/12 mandates that all accounting is done in Czech Crowns and § 24/2a mandates that the value rate is taken at the day of the payment. Here is the law to calm gweedo's lawyer and Jorge's cynicism: http://www.zakonyprolidi.cz/cs/1991-563

You do know most these laws apply to legal tenders, and not bartering, which is what it really is called. Since bitcoin is not legal tender, we are technically bartering, which is subject to different laws.

Also I should get back what I paid, if they keep it in stones and sticks, I should get back bitcoins. I only supported them by pre-ordering and having about 5 people pre-order with me as well.

Quote from: anarchoatheist on August 21, 2014, 06:46:48 AM

Quote from: gweedo on August 21, 2014, 02:50:39 AM

Quote from: JorgeStolfi on August 21, 2014, 02:27:03 AM

Quote from: gweedo on August 21, 2014, 01:56:42 AM

You are combining like three different threads. I paid 3 BTC and looking for a refund of 3 BTCs. He made an offer on my device and I told him what I thought about his offer. I never said refund me what I think the device is worth. Please read and understand what I write, not that hard.

Seems I did, sorry.

But I stand for the first point (about the refund). If the 3 BTC that you send them were worth X euros when you send them, you paid X euros, and you are entitled to a refund of X euros.

They weren't priced in euros or usd when I purchased mine, they were priced 3 BTC for mine and 1 BTC for the plastic.

I have a hypothetical question for you. Lets say bitcoin had crashed all the way and were currently now worth $1 each, would you still be wanting your refund in btc?

Yes because it would net gain of nothing nor a net loss. I rather get back exactly what I paid with. Only fair way to do it in my books to be honest.

Quote from: bitpop on August 21, 2014, 06:50:53 AM

Quote from: anarchoatheist on August 21, 2014, 06:46:48 AM

Quote from: gweedo on August 21, 2014, 02:50:39 AM

Quote from: JorgeStolfi on August 21, 2014, 02:27:03 AM

Quote from: gweedo on August 21, 2014, 01:56:42 AM

You are combining like three different threads. I paid 3 BTC and looking for a refund of 3 BTCs. He made an offer on my device and I told him what I thought about his offer. I never said refund me what I think the device is worth. Please read and understand what I write, not that hard.

Seems I did, sorry.

But I stand for the first point (about the refund). If the 3 BTC that you send them were worth X euros when you send them, you paid X euros, and you are entitled to a refund of X euros.

They weren't priced in euros or usd when I purchased mine, they were priced 3 BTC for mine and 1 BTC for the plastic.

I have a hypothetical question for you. Lets say bitcoin had crashed all the way and were currently now worth $1 each, would you still be wanting your refund in btc?

No he only wants what he's entitled to, $300 + 3 btc and to keep his Trezor

That is why I opted to use escrow so I can't swindle them and they can't swindle me. Also my trezor is basically unusable so I really don't want to keep it.