Quote from: KryptoKings on August 23, 2014, 07:55:08 AM

Quote from: barabbas on August 23, 2014, 07:45:28 AM

This request for a "moderated forum" is as absurd as the demential cheerleading ... and, peculiarly enough, by the same usual suspects... They have had Veritalk for a long time, fully available. They have reddit. They have the orgiastically cheerleading (and fully censored) IRC channel but, hey, they still want yet another thread. In actuality what they want is a censored place, one more, where no voices of dissension are ever heard. I'd say go for it: It is very, veri easy: Just create the damned thread, moderate is as much as you want and get done with it. I mean you are quite pathetic already but if you want to be even more... Get it through your thick and idiotic skull: No one, but a half dozen altogether, will ever go to those stupid places, ok? You want you coin dead? Just close this thread... or, to be more precise, follow in the footsteps -as in so many thin gs- the Blackcoin example: They have "flourished" indeed, since they opted to close the non moderated thread. But hey, you are dying to commit harakiri anyway so be my guests...

THE VERICARD POOF...

As I had anticipated since the get go, the "secret weapon" (still nothing about the plural announced by Stooge #1), has turned to be a "poof", a queer fart of no relevance whatsoever.

OK, it is following in the tracks of Blackcoin, again and, like BC, condemned to be a huge failure.

Some here have pointed out that it is a step towards mass adoption... No it isn't. Mass adoption, as clearly pointed out in my raw flyer for WVD, passes by presenting any and ALL forms of credit cards, as the bad guys along with the banks. Jane and Joe Sixpacks would be piqued by Vericoin PRECISELY, because it is the OPPOSITE, direct OPPOSITE of banks and credit cards, not an enabler.

I dont give a flying fuck if someone has sold the Stooges on the idea that it will "make it easier" for average people to use crypto currency. Average people will never use crypto currency because it is easy to use -which is not to say it has to be complicated, mind you-, they will use it, paraphrasing Anthony Quinn in Lawrence of Arabia, "because it is their pleasure" and will to do so. Because they want to circumvent the banks and their credit cards, NEVER, EVER, because they want to make them fatter... as well as Coinsis or whatever the name of that intermediary is. The WHOLE purpose, the whole selling point is to eliminate, precisely, those parasites, the intermediaries. Jane and Joe Sixpacks understand VERY CLEARLY, that if they don't use intermediaries they don't have to pay for their offices and the multi millions in salaries their executives get. Both Jane and Joe get that immediately. From their wallet straight to the merchant or the friend or family member they want to gift across the planet. THAT is EASY. This is BULL SHIT. Again. No one will ever use it, no one. Just like no one uses Coinkite or will ever use Moolah. The whole PURPOSE of crypto is absurdly diluted here. The whole thing couldn't be simpler: From my wallet to whoever I want, merchant or partner, direct, immediate and without any (or almost) cost. Period. Nothing more, nothing less. Joe and Jane will GET IT, no question about it. Just like they smell bull shit in ratios of miles, like this "deal" is.

Now, UK doesn't "get it" either when we talk about "mass adoption". He's quite right when he states that mass adoption is a pipe dream. It is. It will continue being, even for BTC, as long as the volatility is so brutal. Makes perfect sense: Businesses, of practically ANY size, but obviously the smaller the less, cannot afford such volatility. So ANY adoption will necessarily pass through the cryptocurrency of choice being converted to fiat IMMEDIATELY. That's not adoption! That's another form of using intermediaries (and paying for them) regardless how you want to call them. So the barrier is not just BTC, the barrier is the PRICE of the coin. And as long as that price is not reasonable stable, no merchant will ever operate in crypto. They may accept it as payment, just like they accept VISA or Amex, but charging for it what those companies charge them (3-3.5% or more). In crypto they will charge whatever they are charged for the immediate conversion to fiat. What are they after -Coinsis and the merchants that accept crypto, along with the dozens of other intermediaries? they just want to tap, as paying customers, the community of dickheads in crypto, those idiots bent on using their coins to buy stuff believing they are opposing the system when, in reality, they are making it fatter, paying even bigger fees to a new horde of centralized intermediaries who, like the established ones, just want to suck them dry.

Mass adoption, passes through, first, MASS AWARENESS. And then, price stabilization. That is coming very soon when people will be able to short BTC (and others, eventually) through derivatives, just like in the rest of the markets. It is coming VERY SOON. Along with regulation. Those coins positioning themselves as the good guys, will survive. Those paying for the bad guys, probably too, I don't know but if their tech continue advancing like until now, they stand a chance to be ahead of the feds. But the good guys will eventually cross over when their gains -and losses- will be no more than 5-10% at a time (cycle), not before.

And guess what? Those surviving -and thriving-, will be the ones that GET IT, not the ones that cater to the credit card lobby.

So the Vericard, pretty much like the rest of the "features" is an exercise in nothingness. Nothing bad but certainly nothing that's any good. Vericoin was much better without it... except that it was, and remains, a helmless ship, totally at the mercy of capricious winds and without path or purpose.

Hey you are also Buy4Crypto or are you 2 different people? Sorry if i'm confused and not trying to offend if your not.

I can answer that for you. I am myself, not 1 alias other than buy4crypto here, or on any media. I can say the same on twitter, and every other place I post socially. I just wokeup so not much time to read over the thread yet. I am not a person who plays games with people, I try to help people out to be successful. So this is Buy4crypto, and what I am about.

If you judge your success / happiness on the money you have in your pocket, you will always want more, and greed will overshadow good business intentions. Most people think you are successful by how much money you have at that moment. They will never trully understand what it is to lead people and be great. That is okay, the world needs followers to. To lead this industry though, we need leaders from the top, down. Not incapability. I have been trying to make this coin a success since near the time of launch, but many people wish to make short term gains a priority, over long term, sustainable growth.

I have been a leader in sports, in business, investments and in pretty much everything I do. I will not mold to a certain way to be what someone else wants. I have always been a leader since I was young. I led my own path, from dropping out of highschool to pursue business, to not having worked a single day for someone else in over 6 years now, In my life I have put in maybe 6 months of work for someone else's dream when I was younger. It is my dream, and destiny to create value in virtual currencies. If you understand my background you would see I am uniquely qualified in this field. I have been very involved with virtual currency sales from first virtual currencies that came out 10's of years before bitcoin, or any other current crypto currency.

This coin was supposed to separate itself from the long line of PnD, and scams that crypto has become. But when you have some previous scam coins that don't even try to pump the coinsis deals they also signed like our devs that is extremely telling. VeriCoin doesn't seem to have any clear advantage from a developer / business model standpoint as of now. The only thing vericoin has as an asset is the community. One in which is shrinking in value everyday due to the ignorance, and misguided leadership VeriCoin has currently.

For people thinking I am someone making up a tall tale about being in virtual currencies over 10 years. Here is a few of the currencies I have been involved in, in the past.

Ultima Online: 20+ years ago. I was a beast, and my first real solo success. I worked hard, and played the game, accumulating wealth and reselling that on ebay until I was banned for selling intellectual property rights.

EntropiaUniverse (PED) has been around 10+ years as a virtual currency. Real economy, with everything costing money. You can bet I learned a lot about the virtual currency business. This is a small part of what I had been doing on and off for the past 10+ years, well before Bitcoin was a fart in the wind.

I have done these, and everything inbetween relating to virtual currencies. My 1 true regret is not getting into bitcoin earlier. Its not because I wasn't aware of bitcoin, I was fully. But for me I am here to be successful, not make a quick buck, and at the time I felt bitcoin was for criminals, and end of the world conspiracy theorists, of which, I am neither.