Quote from: greenlion on August 23, 2014, 11:49:25 AM

Quote from: eXOBeX on August 23, 2014, 10:30:09 AM

Still, the sooner those Scrypt miners get taped out and built, the sooner we can get our compensation, eh BA?

I'll eat my hat if there is any compensation at all ever.

The only reason for them to provide compensation (which is really just another word for their price matching promise back in the fall) is to prevent you from putting in for a refund then simply re-buying the same stuff at massive discount out of stock once they get their act together, because if there are ever going to be any new orders beyond batch 1 and 2 moving forward, they would have to be at least half price or lower compared to what batch 1/2 paid originally.

So basically, there is no reason for them to do any compensation because of two EXTREMELY false beliefs that they're trying to strongarm us into accepting:

1) That they're not obligated to issue refunds
2) That their product is of a higher quality than any competitor's, therefore it would be an apples-to-oranges situation to try to price match against competing hardware

In light of the facts and their overt position on the issue, the most likely outcome is going to be taking their sweet time milking batch 1 and 2 over the next few months, and then responding "fuck you, we shipped you your order, go away". They're not getting any repeat business from anybody whatsoever in batch 1/2, so why on earth wouldn't they re-purpose their supposed cheaper compensation design to new orders, possibly even under a different company name. If you see a "Minersource"-brand 1 TH/s miner listing for like $1500, you'll know what it is!

I agree completely. Look at their past behavior and how they've dangled other similar things out there and then pulled them back when they were no longer of use.

1. Price matching. Promised it all along, told people to wait until time of shipment for further details. Shipment began and they ditched it. Not partially, based on their silly this vs. that component excuse. Totally threw it over the side. As soon as it was no longer of use as a carrot to keep people quiet and from litigating in droves they dumped it.

2. Refunds. Same thing happened here. We'll get to it, we'll get to it. Please be patient. Everyone's busy building miners (but not too busy to develop a scrypt chip). Please don't organize and sue the hell out of us. Then what? Shipping started and people in the refund queue that had been told they would be getting refunds started getting their miners.

In terms of compensation, it makes no sense that I can see to not ship the comp with the orders. Based on their penny pinching ways to this point does it make sense that they'd incur further shipping cost to fire off packages around the planet at some future point? To me, it does not.

How 'splitting' it does makes sense is that by shipping the bulk of orders now the liability is greatly reduced, reducing the likelihood that people will organize to chase them down for comp unit that's pretty much worth next to nothing anyhow a few months from now.

IMO, all of these things have been a fraud from minute 1. It looks to me like they've strung people along with promises that were false from the outset and designed to do nothing but mollify people and keep mass litigation at bay.

Compensation is no different, IMO. Based on their actions on the above I do not think they intend to ship comp and I doubt they ever did.