Quote from: haploid23 on August 25, 2014, 08:02:14 AM

Quote from: ACCTseller on August 25, 2014, 05:26:55 AM

I have no issue with users earning different amounts based on their ranking. A full member account is able to display a bigger signature then a member. A senior account has the same feature then a full member account. A hero account is able to display background colors while a senior account cannot. A legendary member's post is generally looked at more closely then a hero member's posts.
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Someone's username and/or ranking should not have an effect on how you receive a message as long as the message contains a valid point. I would hope that you would not give money to a legendary member when they are clearly scamming when you would not give money to a newbie when the newbie is trying to pull the same scam. Why should my message be any different?

What you're saying is that sig earnings should be relative to how much a sig can display. That makes sense. But why are you ok with different member ranks having different privileges of what is displayed in their sigs? And you're arguing for fairness?? Post quality are not determined by rank as you say, so why aren't you bitching about unfair sig displays too (higher ranks having more flashy sigs)?

I don't think you are understanding what I am saying. Let me say it a different way. If someone makes a valid point then it should be listened to regardless of who makes the point. It will be more difficult to notice a signature for someone who has a lower rank because of restrictions on their signature.

I am arguing that if a staff member accepts a higher payment then what is otherwise available to them then the staff member will be able to be influenced to the person providing payment. This is akin to the campaign manager buying power.

Quote from: haploid23 on August 25, 2014, 08:02:14 AM

Quote from: ACCTseller on August 25, 2014, 05:26:55 AM

A staff member on the other hand generally will have their posts directed towards a smaller subset of people, more often then not addressing a specific concern of a user. Sometimes a staff member may post something unrelated to their duties as a moderator but the rules for signatures are not changed because someone is a moderator, and a post is generally not looked at more closely because someone is a moderator/staff member. As a result there is no valid business reason to want to pay a staff member at a higher rate then other senior members earn other then to use that additional payment to get something out of them later.

This is according to YOU, but you cannot speak for everyone. I can argue the other position, where a staff's account name, avatar, and sig are more noticed by the general public compared to a regular account in the same rank. So even though sig displays don't have more privileges, the overall account and status gets them more attention, regardless of what they post. So in this sense, it is a valid business decision to pay staff more.

As noted above the only users that are allowed to join the PD campaign are staff. Do you have any evidence to support this argument? Do moderators posts get quoted more often? Do they get replied to more often? In my experience they do not. As I said before there are a lot of staff that post something that is addressed to a smaller subset of users, for example explaining a ban or a rule that apples to few people.

Quote from: BitCoinDream on August 25, 2014, 10:42:29 AM

I think no. Stunna is probably accepting legendaries too, though I dont see a mention of that in the current OP. Moreover, contrary to popular belief, PD is not shut down for everyone. Rather, they are now accepting Jr. Members too, but all these are in their affiliate campaign.

Legendary members used to be able to join, however this is no longer the case.

Campaign has changed as of August term, ranks below senior are no longer allowed to participate. Also all senior/hero slots are full

Quote from: Stunna on September 10, 2013, 04:22:30 AM

Affiliate Information
The campaign is currently closed to new registrants below legend level however, you are free to advertise using your primedice 3 referral link.
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=745779.0 More information in this thread

Status
All ranks under senior: No longer offered
Senior: FULL
Hero: FULL
Staff: Available

The affiliate program is really nothing more then a scam. I would not expect to get any referrals or referral earnings from having my referral link on my signature. PD already has a very large user base, and I would argue that the effect of the PD signatures is to get people who already have accounts to deposit money and gamble. Few few people have not heard of PD and very people do not already have an account at PD. This however is a very different conversation for a different place.

Quote from: BurtW on August 25, 2014, 12:00:22 PM

This is a totally pointless thread with a totally pointless OP because it is already totally fair. It is fair because the buyer can pay whatever he want to whomever he wants. It is his money. If the buyer of signature space wanted to pay girls more than boys they could. If you do not like how someone runs a signature campaign then you are free to not participate.

No one is forcing you to sell signature space to them. You do not have to sell your signature space at all.

Quit you insesant whining.

It is not a matter of fairness as to who gets paid what. Any campaign manager has the right to pay whoever whatever they want. The issue at hand here is if someone who has power over the forum can accept a business opportunity that involves them receiving a higher then market rate. The higher payments do not only affect the members in the campaign, they affect the entire forum. The only way to avoid this would be to not participate in the forum, to not exercise your right to free speech. When someone with power receives an above market payment, they will owe the person who gave them the payment something in return. This will affect the way the forum is moderated; when someone wants a mod on their payroll to turn a blind eye they will be more likely to do so, or (more likely) when someone wants a mod to be more strict against a certain member or group of members they will be more likely to do so.

Quote from: Eal F. Skillz on August 25, 2014, 02:15:01 PM

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Quote from: Eal F. Skillz on August 25, 2014, 12:33:31 PM

Quote from: BadBear on August 25, 2014, 12:06:35 PM

Quote from: BurtW on August 25, 2014, 05:05:47 AM

Mods can accept bribes? Sounds great! How do I get to be a mod then?

Forgot to answer this.

Bribes obviously.

I'm upset that nobody offer me any bribe. Embarrassed

You mean the bonus payment from your signature, solely based on you being a staff member, isn't a bribe? Wink

What is it.. a political donation? Roll Eyes

If it seems like a bribe, it is a bribe.

I didn't request any raise for my signature payment. In fact I was gonna remove my signature but I hold it when I see the raise. It's normal because I have sticky posts etc., my signature gets more attention than other members'. It's not bonus payment, it's well deserved earning. If theymos decides to remove paid (or all) signatures, I'm okay with that, too.

Since you were offered a higher rate then what other people with your same rank receive, you decided to keep your signature? This is exactly my point. Although there is nothing against the rules with you having a signature, you admit to keeping it because of the higher rate. Now since you are receiving a higher rate, if you were to receive a request to look at a particular account/thread and take action against the account/thread by the operator of PD would you possibly do so? Do you think the action you would take would be at least a little bit influenced by the fact that you are now earning more money then what other members earn?

You don't have to be a mod to have your post sticked, you only need to have written a post that is very important and informative to the sub-forum in question. There are many stickies that are not written by a mod. Also your well deserved earning is what you get from the forum in exchange for being a mod/staff member.