Quote from: jimmothy on August 25, 2014, 11:25:47 PM

Quote from: zvisha on August 25, 2014, 10:11:19 PM

I think that even the slow-corner ASICs of our first batch are currently the most power efficient in the market and one of the most competitive in $/Gh. That is impressive fuckup I would say. Don't bother answering since you been added to ignore list.

Why is it that SPtech is the only company that is affected by this "super slow corner" debacle? Does TSMC really not like you guys or something? Have you tried asking for the ultra-extreme-quick-corner asics?

Bitfury could achieve 0.38w/gh at the chip with their 55nm chips, are your asics really more efficient?

As for competitive $/gh, I don't know how you can even argue that. Has there ever been a time where SPtech hardware was not ~20% more expensive than the competition?

You guys were asking $12,000 for an sp30 shipped in the beginning of august.. If you tried selling SP30's from stock for $2/gh you would be laughed at.

I implore you to show me your overly optimistic calculations which give any SP30 a chance at ROI. (preferably using a semi-realistic calculator like btcinvest.net)

It obvious from just about every post you make that you have an agenda, which is basically to criticise anything that isn't Asicminer or that might threaten their plan to 'crush' the competition. Incidentally, that really was one of your better quotes, I still haven't stopped laughing.

It's also dazzlingly clear that your technical knowledge is, how can I put this politely, 'wanting' and so you come out with stuff which you've most likely been fed by the guy with his hand up your back. It's a fairly safe bet you've never worked in the electronics industry (if you've ever actually had a job, which I doubt) and that you've never designed anything yet still you feel that you can stick your oar into situations that are way, way beyond your level of understanding.

The Bitfury chip may be able to run at 0.38 JOULES/GH, not watts/GH, it's a measure of energy, not power, (just another little detail which shows up your lack of knowledge) and their chip runs in a mode call Sub Threshold where is sacrifices speed for lower energy per GH by using a lower supply voltage than normal. I'm sure that the ST guys and any other competent designers will confirm that their chips could run at much lower J/GH figures if they ramp down the voltage.

The trouble is with this scenario - and read this carefully here because you might have considerable difficulty in understanding it - is that the lower voltage makes the chip run slower, a lot slower. To get the same number of GH/second as a full voltage chip you need more chips, thus making the advantage of low energy/GH useless.

You say the reason you want to know about compensation is so you can make informed decisions about whether to buy from ST in the future. This is rubbish, you simply want to make trouble for a competitor in whatever way you can, but you wrap it up in 'concerns' and criticism to try to get the community wound up.

It would be a lot better for the community in general if you simply shut up and stopped talking crap about situations that are none of your business and technical issues that are way beyond your level of understanding. ST have a problem which I'm pretty sure they are working hard to resolve, in the real world of electronics problems do arise and it can sometimes take a lot of time and effort to fix. ST are very active in communicating with their customers, I'm not one of them by the way, and it's clear to any external observer that they want to make things right.

That's the single most important issue in this situation.

Just as a closing point, why not show us all how clever you really are by demonstrating how an AM chip based system will make any ROI, comparing it to an SP30? I'd love to see it, I'll bet a lot of other would too and you've obviously got lots of time on you hands. If it's too difficult for you I'd be very pleased to help.