Quote from: Pentax on September 05, 2014, 01:36:35 AM

Quote from: heslo on August 29, 2014, 12:05:49 PM

Quote from: btct22 on August 29, 2014, 11:49:59 AM

But wait, there's more!

http://www.blackarrowsoftware.com/store/14nm-bitcoin-asic-announcement.html

So ... do we get some free units of these for our trouble?? We paid "helped" to pay for this development after all.....

Haha what a fuckin' joke!

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"Black Arrow Ltd has already a proven track record in successfully manufacture Bitcoin mining hardware at extremely competitive prices using shorter full lifecycle than their competition without compromising the top quality required the highly-competitive niche market."

Are these dicks on the same planet as us? Successfully manufacture? Extremely competitive prices? Just piss off and go bankrupt already you criminals

proven track record? of what, exactly? their miners are now 6 months late because they had one issue after the next, they're no longer price competitive at time of delivery, don't have a snowball's chance in hell of ROI'ing, and they're starting on fire.

what they have proven is that they will tell people anything to get their money and then break those promises when it suits them.

remember this one?

Quote from: blackarrow on September 23, 2013, 10:14:12 AM

Quote from: User705 on September 23, 2013, 06:51:30 AM

If you are guaranteeing prices then what's the point of preorders? Basically the people preordering now are giving you a free loan because come february everyone gets the same price anyways. The only benefit of preordering now is if the buyer thinks that you won't have to lower prices and the current price will end up being less then market prices for similar devices at the time of shipping.

Customers who pre-order and pay now have 25% discount. Our promise is that we will ensure that customers who preorder now will always get a better deal than customers who order later.

At the same time we promise that our prices will be below market price at the time we ship.

This means that customers that preorder now will have considerable lower market prices by the time that we ship which puts them in advantage towards anybody else.

Unless Bitcoin mining stops because it becomes unprofitable for everybody else in February, our customers WILL make profit.

or this?

Quote from: blackarrow on September 23, 2013, 10:21:51 AM

Quote from: User705 on September 23, 2013, 08:29:14 AM

After a whole year of this ASIC preordering phenomenon/fiasco somehow it's starting to feel like the companies will promise you anything and everything just to get your money. Even if it makes no sense. What's the point of them getting capital now if they guarantee to drop the prices to whatever the market price will be in the future and have to return most of that capital? I don't mind gambling but when the gamble is just some vague guarantee promise that isn't rooted in reality that's just one more hurdle to overcome besides the fact of sending non refundable to btc to some outfit in china and hoping for the best on a proposition that's many months away.

Everybody until now sold you hardware that they knew that you're going to loose money because 1 month later they announced something faster at a better price.
We are guaranteeing that this won't happen with us: If we drop the price you'll get even faster hardware, keeping you in front of everybody else.

or this?

Quote from: blackarrow on September 23, 2013, 06:26:26 PM

Quote from: User705 on September 23, 2013, 06:19:34 PM

I'd like to make sure I understand what you are guaranteeing. You are saying that if I preorder now I am guaranteed a price 25% below market price. How will market price be defined?

Yes, you are guaranteed to get a price 25% below the market price ($/ghash) at the time of shipment.
And yes, we will keep our prices below every other company.

Bottom line is, whoever trusts us now, we promise that will help them to mine profitably after February as well. If you keep supporting other companies who have ripped you off until now, you'll barely get your ROI back.

Thanks for posting this Pentax, i see everything is being deleted here and on ecointalk.
So i guess we need to move to a save thread where we can talk free about the truth.