Quote from: Morbid on September 09, 2014, 02:46:06 AM

Quote from: Rassah on September 09, 2014, 02:11:40 AM

The Soviet system came entirely out of Russia, and it was Russia invading other republics to build a Soviet Union.

you see this is where you are wrong. studying non-politically motivated historical accounts a little better can easily fix that.

Everything you wrote below sounds like politically motivated accounts not backed by actual evidence...

Quote from: Morbid on September 09, 2014, 02:46:06 AM

russians (as well as other nations within ussr) are also the victims of communist ideology which been imposed onto them from abroad (in fact from thinkers in great britain - the only monarchy left standing after ww1). then after coup that toppled czar in process foreign secret services (mostly british) organised a takeover of petrograd (now st piterburg) with introduction of communist ideology as a main sell point for confused and mislead public. trocki came from britain where he was trained. lenin came from switzerland together with paid international mercenaries and idea driven european communists (mostly ethnical jews).

Lenin was born in Ulyanovsk, Russia. The revolution was in Russia. The start of communism was in Russia. The seat of power, Kremlin, was in Russia. The country that became Soviet Union and started invading other countries was Russia. Are you seriously expecting me to believe that a half dozen foreigners came into Russia and completely subjugated all the people against their will? Of course not! The ideas may have been foreign (from Marx), but it was Russians who started the Bolsheviks, Russians who stated the communist party, Russians who joined that party and rallied support for Lenin and his ilk, and Russians who then started murdering mensheviks and anyone they considered to be an enemy of the state. And when Russian Soviet party started to invade other countries to make them be part or Soviet Union, was it anyone BUT Russian soldiers doing the invasion? What, did Ukrainians cross the border into Russia, joined the Soviet army, and then came home to invade themselves?

By the way, there was massive antisemitism (hate for Jews) in Russia are and post revolution. Russians (and sadly Ukrainians) used to attack Jewish towns, force the Jews into the street, then lay a layer of timber, then layer of jewish of people, then another layer of timber and another layer of people, into a high stack, then light the whole thing on fire as a method of extermination. There is still a lot of antisemitism in Russia today (even evidenced by your claim that original communists were Jews). So it's EXTREMELY doubtful that any of the original Russian Soviets would even consider listening to Jews, let alone allow themselves to be ruled by them.

Quote from: Morbid on September 09, 2014, 02:46:06 AM

then to take the rest of the country the red army was established which was guided by the secret services and heavily sponsored by the wall street capital. once they won the war total destruction, theft, corruption and holodomor came to further break the country and extract wealth from it for western capital.

ROFL! The "capitalist pigs that should all be murdered" Wall Street Capital? Are you insane? The entire Soviet rise to power was on the idea that the laborer should be empowered, and capitalists are fat pigs who exploit them and must be exterminated. Thousands of capitalists were murdered and their wealth and businesses taken by the Soviets when they came to power. Why the hell would Capitalist Wall Street support that? It's like suggesting that Hitler came to power, and the Jew exterminating concentration camps, were all thanks to funding by Jew bankers in America or something. How can one even believe such a thing?

Your history sounds very much like something written by Russia (because Russia is very good at writing and rewriting history like that.

Quote from: Morbid on September 09, 2014, 02:46:06 AM

the reason putin is so popular now is because he is the only straw that russians have to save themselves

Well, then Russians are very much fucked (which anyone who understands Russian economy and politics already knows).