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Where is the one market ?

There.Is.No.Such.Thing.
There wasn't, there hasn't been, there isn't, there won't be and there won't have been anything called "OneMarket".

Or, to say it with some altered form of community's members' words: mark my words and you'll cry later.
Finally, I turned into a cynicist. Hope this condition passes as time goes by.

Alty said onemarket will be tested on testnet soon. It was supposed to be today, A simple delay means "there was never a OneMarket" to some.

I think it is just a delay, very common in the programming world.

But you can draw your own conclusions.

I admire people who can still be positive. Also, I'm a programmer by profession and I know about the delays. But this is something completely different.
To me, it's just a feeling: we have announcements, nice PDFs but where are the things that are listed on those PDFs? Does anyone even know what half of the features there are supposed to be? At the moment, they are just pastime for guessing funny acronyms. Everything gets delayed, we hear that something will come without anyone even knowing what that is supposed to be (besides OneMarket).

Just think about it. In the last two months, couldn't it maybe be possible that there wasn't anything being developed on cloak? Regarding everything we got, was there anything, any sneek peek to what's being developed? Has anybody ever seen any development in the past weeks? I mean, not just heard about it?
Maybe I'm wrong (I would be glad to be wrong [see, YourMother: no problem admitting being wrong]), but to me it could also be likely that this coin is just being used to produce some money by releasing news from time to time. Nice and easy income, rinse and repeat.

Still, I hope I'm wrong.

PoSA exists. There were the testings. There were the differences between MrRGnome and the team but even if he was very disappointed, he also confirmed that it's all there. This is absolutely no Scam. If it would be one, they would have announced a passed audit, than sold .....and away.

The problem is: There are delays. It's not the first one. But, even this I don't see as a big problem if there is communication. And in the first time there was a lot of communication and explanation. But now... one Tweet. That's all. And T H A T , for me, is the biggest problem and it threatens the whole project, because it looks fishy. Some think they are gone. Others think they could intend a price-drop to buy before the release and so on.

I personally think: They are under a lot of pressure and they don't know how to handle it. They don't want questions and they don't want to answer these questions. Therefore they avoid communicative ways like IRC or Forum. But I also think: There will be a release.

First, I like it how different points of view can be discussed here w/o being called a fucker, a retard, a fudder or whatsoever.

Next, I know PoSA exists. I'm talking about events which took place after the famous audit.

If they are under pressure, that would mean they work hard because they care about their product. Caring about a product in cryptoworld means that it should be used because the price reflects its state in the community. So it would be very important to get this PR thing done (maybe by asking someone else to do it), because this kind of "PR" (also related to this forum, clowns like YourMother etc just don't work for PR) totally destroys the coin. I doubt they don't know that.
So if they decide to not care about PR, they might not care much about cloaks image, place in the community etc. And a product I don't care about... I wouldn't invest time in development.

Do you understand what I'm trying to say? This whole thing I mentioned earlier, plus the PR, leave the impression that the coin is just a means to an end. Not for the community, of course.

Again, I hope I'm wrong.

Totally agree! But pressure I mean it more in a psychological way. Imagine you begin with such a project. And you make it very good. You work hard and for the most you are Jesus, because the price is rising etc. But also: The price does not reflect everytime how much you invest in it. The Community-Feedback is often disrespectful particularly the price falls or just stagnate for some weeks. A few people always starts complaining if there is not something hyping in a two-day-timeframe. And than: You see dumping. Whales who bought in early sell at the top without fundamental reasons. And: At the same time something big (PoSA) does not work out as good as intended. There are some issues and it all maybe comes together with private plans (vacation for example) and it is all very different from the plans. You are revised and your Investors are disappointed, your own investment is down, too. You need some money and you sell some of your own Coins, much cheaper as intended. There are problems inside the Team... Short: It`s a real hard time.

And in such a time, people often don't have the psychological energy to face a critic community. And every word could lead to a dump. Completely honesty can lead to a dump, even if it's just about some more time. If a Dev would say: Sorry, my daugther is ill. Family first for a week... The price would drop and some would ask: Is he lying? Manipulating? Scammer? etc.

What I want to say is: There are times, you can't do it really right. You just can do it "as right as possible" or "not too bad". And psychological... you don't get such a project out of your mind. You always know, whatever you do in private: Thousands of people are waiting for progress. That is the Master-Plan to a big burn-out. And, to make it clear: I don't want to defend the way how Alty acts in the moment. But I can imagine the pressure and I know from myself: Under pressure and nearly burn-out... all what I would like to have is just some time out. No talking, no complaining... maybe working, but without contact to people who are always pushing. I know it from my own projects (not Software but with similarities in the dynamic). And if there comes a time, one just want some rest... it all becomes a risk. The honest people could think about running away.

For me, under the line: I'm totally convinced, that Alty and nobody of the project, ever intended a scam or big manipulation. Should they give up, than because they couldn't face all the pressure in Crypto. And that's a lot...

And, to come to an end: Satoshi Nakamato had not that pressure. We all can't know, if Bitcoin would exist if he had had such pressure.