Quote from: EvilPanda on September 11, 2014, 02:34:16 PM

Quote from: Kluge on September 11, 2014, 10:25:53 AM

Quote from: SOAD on September 11, 2014, 10:11:29 AM

Quote from: Kluge on September 11, 2014, 10:04:20 AM

Fucking nihilists, the lot of 'em.

Lol, what makes them nihilists exactly? They are annoying though. Don't want any of my own to be honest.

They don't care why things happen, they just seek rewards. Very animalistic - no philosophical framework.

Peeing in toilet = candy & parents look pleased
Pissing self = no candy & parents look pissed
Therefor, pee in toilet, don't piss self.

Without the candy incentive (doesn't care whether we approve or not), fuck taking time out of her busy schedule of telling a story about a horse who eats lots of hay and is blue and has friends with a thousand dollars and is a hippinpotmas - if she has to piss, she's doing it right there, right then. Maybe when she's ~four, things'll change. ... Or she's just outsmarting us. Unsure. Maybe the hardcore individualist streak is from us telling her, before going to church with grandparents, that Jesus comes down the chimney each Christmas to be burned alive so Catholics can eat his charred flesh and be pacified rather than killing us all. No, probably just bad luck -- some kids are just born weird, I guess.

Haha so true! Their mood can change almost instantly with no real cause. From happiness to hysteria in 5 seconds.
Not to mention how cruel they are, you have to protect small animals from them or they'll be petted to death.

o.O You must be my NSA shadow. The cruelty toward animals is nuts. Idunno why we conflate innocence with "they don't know better." How do you come out of the womb and think holding meat out toward a hungry animal, then pulling it away when they try to eat is a good idea? Either God's a dick or humans are naturally violent and sadistic (or both). Then she gets bit and cries and it's like... well, what the Hell did you expect to happen when you're an asshole toward something which bites? Don't cry at me, quit bein' an asshole! Idunno... I did the same dumbass shit as a kid. Outside the complete failures, most grow out of it, but it's annoying to read a story about a 5-year-old microwaving a cat or something, and everyone's trying to defend the kid who's being "scarred for life" by people saying only assholes microwave cats -- the kid knew what would happen - they're not that stupid - they're just all little sociopaths when they come out, and as far as I can tell from early childhood, it's the parent's goal to employ *ahem* "enhanced incentive alignment techniques" until they feel what we call empathy.

If adoption taxes/fees ever come within reason here, I think we'll try adopting a kid near the age of reason if we want another... the newborn/infant years seem more like we're just incidental guardians trying to keep them from eating their own shit and falling down stairs. She's starting to "get there," though... reading, making up some interesting stories... She's starting to get to the point where she struggles on purpose, and those are the moments which make it all worthwhile -- those glimmers of time where she's not just learning incidentally from experiences we thrust on her, but actively seeking experiences. She's starting to come to that point where we can start giving her rights and extra privileges, and that's what really excites me, because she'll have a rough framework in her head on what to do with that freedom.