Quote from: Inaba on September 16, 2014, 02:13:57 PM

Quote from: dogie on September 16, 2014, 02:00:48 PM

As many as is considered acceptable by customers. Having a backlog of orders behind schedule isn't considered acceptable - unless they're being compensated acceptably. Note thats actually being compensated, not promised to be compensated.

Ok, so who is complaining about the compensation? They are being given a full refund, more hashrate or a combination of the two. What more do you want?

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Eh? You're saying "we don't use preorders" on the basis that you don't take any sales at all. In that case you should be removed from the list entirely because you're not an ASIC company in the recent few months right? You're business model is currently preorder based and until you make an effort to change that you will remain 1/20 for that category.

We stop taking orders and that's not an "effort to change that?" LOL... what is an effort to change that then, if not that?

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Do you have a link to any cases I can view online so I can review? The papers from Woodlaw schedule show nothing to prevent it being a class action.

Link to cases that don't exist? What are you talking about? You do know how class action lawsuits work, right? A judge needs to grant the class action case and the party bringing the suit has to bring credible evidence that warrants class status. There's basically nothing so far that would warrant such a status. But disregarding the speculation, the fact is that it is NOT a class action suit at this time and will NOT be one anytime soon. That is indisputable fact, not speculation.

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And I never said the two weeks was in regards to shipping. Saying no one has ever been banned from the BFL forums for saying anything negative though is pretty laughable though. Every time you ban an innocent they come over here and make a post along the lines of "yeah I just said "when can we expect x y z and got permabanned? :/." I'm not one of those obsessed with your company and I'm not going to turn this into a quote war. I'm not even going to invite anyone else to do so because I don't want this thead to turn into BFL vs the world like the other 10 threads.

https://forums.butterflylabs.com/announcements/8203-win-butterfly-labs-imperial-monarch.html You paid your customers to discredit me.

You never said two weeks was in regards to shipping? Then what is it in regards to, pray tell? As far as being banned from the BFL forums, please provide actual evidence, not your supposition. Once again, you make claims but you can't actually back them up with evidence. You provide the evidence and I will explain to you exactly why that person was banned, with evidence to back up my claim. See, that's the difference between you and me. I back up my claims with evidence, you have yet failed to do so.

As far as "paying people to discredit you." What a pompous, self important ass you are. It was about showing what a joke the trust rating system is, not about you. I don't care one whit about you. You were just a convenient demonstration piece, being as you are active in spreading false information on the forums, so a logical choice for the demonstration. The fact that you are upset about it proves my point, so thanks for confirming that the trust system is a broken joke. How is that discrediting you, if the trust system works? If the trust system doesn't work, how are you discredited? It's not about you and never has been. Deflate your ego a little bit, man.

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You've not pointed out any facts, nor presented any evidence. You keep saying "that's a lie that's a lie" yet you're not actually talking about anything, its hard to argue against that :s

Are you serious? I have presented you with facts based off your guide and you claim I haven't pointed out any facts? Let me quote my post again.

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Delivered miners? Few ... I mean, it's not like BFL hasen't delivered over 50k miners or anything. I guess anyone who's delivered less than 50k miners has delivered "few." Oh wait... that doesn't jive with the rest of your chart.
Uses preorders? Yes ... O Rly? BFL Hasn't taken preorders in months. Additionally we were and are selling off the shelf miners from the 65nm generation.
Refund Issues? BFL has been issuing refunds to anyone and everyone who asks for them prior to delivery of their order for awhile now. Prior to that, any order that was over 6 months old was refundable in full.
Communication? We are more open about our process and timeline than just about anyone else in the industry.
Ethics: You've created a special category with our name because you don't like us, plain and simple.

Dogie... those are facts. We've delivered over 50k miners (actually over 60k now). It's gone from "delivered miners" to "delivered miners recently" now that I've provided the facts that you are wrong.
Uses preorders? Fact: BFL does not take preorders and hasn't for almost 6 months.
Refund issues: Fact: BFL provides full refunds
Communication: Fact: BFL communicates regularly
Ethics: Fact: You have made a special category just for BFL, making you opinionated and biased.

Those are called facts. You have presented nothing to the contrary so far except speculation and false information, which are called "not facts."

https://forums.butterflylabs.com/archive/index.php/t-8481.html

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Mots of the programming work is already done on MBGH. We have a very limited number of 600 GH/s cards, so shipping 3 cards to each customer who has an Imperial, while being a good solution, I agree, would only service a very limited number of customers. Even the MBGH plan, with the cards we have, will serve a limited number of customers but it's better than nothing. If we had thousands of boards, we'd ship them out, sure. We don't have thousands of boards... the most we can possibly have by next week is about 500 boards, assuming there are no duds. That number gets reduced if boards fail.

Additionally, with the MBGH plan, even partially working boards can be used for service, whereas a partially working boards can not be shipped to customers.

300 GH orders would also be included in the MBGH plan, as well as MBGH customers. Everyone would be serviced in their order sequence. I don't even know yet how fast we can have MBGH ready to go for something like this. It's true most of it's done, but there's a few touch ups here and there that need to happen. Once I get an answer back as to how long it will take to finish those, that will give a better idea on the feasibility. However, if most everyone is against it, then it's a moot point.

I need to trademark 2 weeks. How did that saying even get started? I never used two weeks, except once in reference to FCC certification, and it was a question, not even a statement. Heh. I like it though... I think I will definitely have to use that as my epitaph.