Quote from: supranetico on September 16, 2014, 02:48:00 PM

Ok lets see if we can do this without the name calling.

First of all, gains in sharkfund0?
I don't think you fully grasp the situation. Here's the figure - 10k was issued. Total bought? 10k - 8617.8186 = 1382 were only sold ie 14% of the issue sold (a grand total of 3 asset sold since I posted the op). Out of the sold portion, 38% is held by jl777 himself (forget the what was held by NXTVenture - another 25%). If thats not a failure of an issues I don't know what is. I think it will make a much merrier picture if we can find the post and pre 400% gain announcement.
so fret not, you can still buy the asset though at the inflated price.

Secondly, you want a proof of the pump. I would rather ask you what proof, other than jl777's reputation, of not being any? None. Proof of one being in place? At least 2, one the majority shares being held by him and him alone, and secondly failure that is called NXT AE allowing large transactions to pass through at very low fees - 1 NXT.

Why not ask this question to jl777 and he can hire someone who could go through his account? I guess his stature is too tall and many will piss in their pants before they get this bold.

Maybe I missing something but I don't really see how the amount of shares issued in an asset like sharkfund0 really matters. The assets are listed to raise capital that gets invested back in other currencies/assets that the fund manager decides are acceptable for the fund. At least that's the way I think it operates, I'm not an expert on jl777 assets at all. But from my reading and learning about superNET and his assets I have never gotten the impression that he's attempting to deceive or hide information from people regarding them. That's where me and you differ I think, you seem to think that he's intentionally attempting to deceive potential investors about the nature of his assets.

Quote from: supranetico on September 16, 2014, 02:48:00 PM

Again there you go with your broken comprehension. There weren't 7 people who took newbie account's words as the truth, rather made averse statement about Supernet ie the thread was a fairly balanced one. If you really want to count people who were convinced they are none. There were those who had perceived notions about it being iffy and then found some value in numbers I put out. Or do you think they all read and said "holy shit! 500 BTC for 2k BTC assets" and took off? I see you are promoting the fact

people who support jl777 had all the equations down to the number of how much jl777 held

vs

every other person who was against jl777 as a sorry person who looks at newbie account at gets convinced? Until you hold this notion, I have to call you a moron and ask you to get off your high horse.

There are people who are much smarter than you on bitcointalk and will not invest in supernet, even if it is not because of what I said.

I don't think we're really disagreeing here. I've been saying that people who want to believe that superNET is a scam will read what you wrote and use it to further cement their opinion that it is such. Like you say, they already have perceived notions about it.

And yes, I'm sure thousands of people if not tens of thousands of people on here who are smarter than me who won't invest in superNET.

Quote from: supranetico on September 16, 2014, 02:48:00 PM

Do you know the beauty of github? It tracks each line being changed, so if I change the date in a header file, it will show it as a line changed. Before you jump the gun, I am not commenting about jl777, rather how weak your "objective" look of things is. If past posts are an indication, I am sure you will change your tune now and say you and the complete jl777 junta understands this too.

How will SuperNet leverage BBR's ring signature or BITMARK feature? Just out of thin air? No, the coin you hold, say BTCD needs to converted to BBR or BITMARK to be able to use that feature. Supernet will charge a fees on that transaction. So basically building a BTCD to BBR and BTCD to BITMARK and BBR to BITMARK (by triangulation) market which is good, no doubt but...

it is similar to what ripple does which is...provide a way for people to leverage usage of different assets by allowing them to input USD to buy ripple and then convert it to metals (some gateway) , BTC etc. So in a way, the market is built for USD to XRP to GOLD or BTC and triangulation markets.

This is where I don't think you're understanding me. Before when I qualified the lines of code statement with "(his words)" you perceived that I meant that as some sort of praise towards him and thought that was some sort of statement of deference to him(your "jesus" comment before). I meant it to mean that I haven't independently checked that fact out at all so it should be taken with a grain of salt. I know how github works and I know how meaningless lines of code are as a metric which is why I was trying to convey the fact that he could simply be saying that as something that's 'technically true' but doesn't necessarily mean much.

With regards to Bitmark marking will be integrated in to superNET, but each marking adoption does all the marking transactions locally and then hashes them in to a merkle tree and records them in the Bitmark blockchain a specified times.

(ready for a shocker? I'm part of the Bitmark core team(not a dev yet though) and we decided not to join superNET, but superNET can still integrate marking as anyone can since it's free software and we will assist them in implementing it.)

Yes, BBR will have to be converted like you say. And that part of superNET does serve a similar function as ripple, but as you can see in my list it's quite a bit more than just a collection of gateways.

I try to be objective, but I also have come to like the idea behind superNET. Doesn't mean that I'm not interested in the truth.

Quote from: supranetico on September 16, 2014, 03:09:33 PM

Quote from: Este Nuno on September 16, 2014, 10:12:28 AM

Have you read the thread?

Do I agree with OP's conjecture? No. I don't think it follows from the evidence he presented. Even on as loose speculation it doesn't hold up because OP was not aware that jl777 has been open about his asset ownership and the asset cross ownership and has not made any attempts to hide those facts. It's listed in the superNET OP.

While I take no issues with you doing your own conjecture of the facts, you keep making statements which do nothing but make you foolish. OP wasn't aware? Really? And how do you know this?
Lets check the supernet OP, shall we? Media coverage, tweets, prediction market, after market.....ah yes NextVenture and the core (not cross) assets:

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NXTventure
NXTventure is an incubator for revenue producing "companies" and an asset is created to encapsulate each new revenue stream. The NXT that is raised is allocated for this "venture capital" -> offering the asset on NXT AE. Already over 30 million NXT is available for investing. Privatebet is seeking casino game joint ventures for this, but any promising revenue making service is a candidate. More details: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=762346.msg8695499;topicseen#msg8695499

Core Assets
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=762346.msg8770928#msg8770928 has more details.
I will put into SuperNET a minimum of 241485 assets (24.15%) for all three core assets:

InstantDEX 241'485 1'000'000 24.15% 49 44.5 (has 30% of NXTventure) = 7.245%
Tradebots 241'485 1'000'000 24.15% 27 20 (has 18.5% JLH) = 4.46%
NXTprivacy 241'485 1'000'000 24.15% 40 39 (has 30% cryptocard + 60% Privatebet) = 7.245% + 14.49%

With 24.15% of each of the above three core assets, there is the following percentage that will be directly or indirectly owned:

InstantDEX 24.15%
Tradebots (NXTcoinsco) 24.15%
NXTprivacy 24.15%
Privatebet 14.49%
cryptocard 7.245%
NXTventure 7.245%
jl777hodl 4.46%

Where does it talk about him about sharkfund0 or jl777hodl's holding? No where.

Those are the relevant assets for the proposed deal.

I'm not saying it's a bad thing that you've made people aware who were not aware that James holds significant portions of his own assets. It makes sense to me for someone operating a fund such as sharkfund0 or jl777hodl to own a large percentage of them in order to maximize your own profits and incentives.

I think it's somewhat obvious that James would own a large portion of his own assets, but if that's not obvious to people then that's fine. What you've done here is good information for anyone who was unware, but I think it could have been presented in a better manner.

Quote from: supranetico on September 16, 2014, 03:09:33 PM

Fair amount of wealthy individuals is it? So why is the 400% return sharkfund0 still with 14% of the fund sold till date? Or rather why the majority of the shareholding is done by the jl777 or his own assets? Its like motorola holding majority of google's share if they were so hot and then claiming oh! google shares are so hot!!
Something he would do? So while you think low of my conjecture (which maybe fair), your "proof" is - it doesn't seem like something he would do? Yep totally an "objective" fact based observer.

The wealthy individuals comment is just my perception based on a bit of reading on the NXT forum where people tend to speak of investing large amounts of NXT and BTC in these type of assets. I could be wrong, I don't know enough about the NXT community to say definitively, which is why I said there "seem to be". Just what it looks like from what I can tell.

I can be objective and still have opinions too, right? Based on all of my readings thus far and watching how he's handled manners related to money, I personally think it's unlikely that it's something he would do. Again, this is where we seem to differ because you've drawn completely different conclusions than I have and seem to think he's some sort of scam artist. Nothing we can do here but wait to see how things play out.