Quote from: Alphi on September 16, 2014, 10:23:01 PM

Duke any contributions (advice or otherwise) that you make to the community are welcomed and appreciated.
with that being said.. as you can clearly see now, we already have one person who claimed to be the messiah going back on their word and taking unilateral action to sell assets owned by the community without community consultation.

that process has been extremely destructive to that persons reputation and the community as a whole.

I will never again do business with a person who claimed to "donate" their time and resources to a project all to turn around and start selling things and making changes that benefit nobody.

this is not the spirit of Karma (either the coin or the philosophy)
the senate has turned on Caesar because he took a republic which was built by the people for the people and tried rule over it like a king.

the last thing this community needs is another person coming in and claiming to own Karma and making unilateral decisions on the core system and how it operates.

this is not how open source crypto communities work and it is not how the community will grow over time...
you say that you worked on the BAMT project?.. well then you of all people should understand this principle.

feel free to buy services from Kosmost.. nobody will stop you (except maybe his shareholders)...
feel free to work for the good of the community everyone will support you...

but if you want to "own" Karma or any of its core assets then you have to join the community by owning or mining the coins just like everyone else.

I am one of the original members of the Karma team that formed after the original developer Karmagood was struggling (its all there in the history).. I have fought hard to keep the non profit "Karma" separated from any "for Profit" entity like Karmashares LLC and I will continue to do so in the future.

I support free enterprise just as I supported Karmashares' right to do business within the Karma ecosystem.. but there should always be a clear line between the Non Profit Open source core of Karma and the For Profit entities that want to use Karma, otherwise we will be back here in an other 3 months when the next messiah fails to deliver on their promises.

As an atheist I kind of have to chuckle at your 'messiah' language Tongue

I appreciate the passion and the interest the members show here, but fundamentally there is no power structure and worst of all no accountability. Other than the thin veil of "rational self interest" -- your current community is largely focused on maximizing their own return on investment -- which is wholly incompatible with the ideas around Karma -- in my humble opinion.

Of all the assets that have value, the Trademark is it as far as I'm concerned -- its owned by an individual, not a community. Everything else is open source and freely available. I already have directional control of the X11 based Givecoin, a site that uses and advertises it and an exchange capable to trading it. Plus its actually a "crypto for charitable giving" and a legitimate non-profit to handle it for the public trust.

So if you think your future lies in distributing the pieces and parts to places with no means of control -- go for it.

If on the other hand you want to have an organization with assets and motivation to see it prosper, let me know.

I'm not going anywhere...

-dvd