Quote from: rsa_ufo_attack on September 22, 2014, 02:08:56 PM

Quote from: lunokhod2 on September 22, 2014, 02:01:48 PM

Quote from: BroTroxer on September 22, 2014, 01:16:26 PM

Quote from: rsa_ufo_attack on September 22, 2014, 12:20:12 PM

Quote from: meeh on September 22, 2014, 11:22:37 AM

Haha.. No wonder why I'm always offline from here. Listening to those trolls trying to increase their e-penis and save the last of the fallen coins they sit on.. Maybe angry for us not letting them easily copy us... well well, I wouldn't care, either should you.

This was not a reply to the trolls. They are on /ignore.

/Back to work

Liar, you come here everyday but you act like a child.
My last post below is clear but you are not able to provide a real support to your community because you have no arguments against mines. This is unfortunate to see the main dev acting like that.

Quote from: rsa_ufo_attack on September 21, 2014, 11:09:32 PM

If you are not able to understand, then ask Meeh or Gnosis (they were both online on bitcointalk today):
1) Who will setup the 13 accumulators of zerocoin?
2) If it will be possible to review this setup to be sure that Gnosis doesn't know the factors (P and Q) of the accumulators (to avoid the risk that he forge zerocoin proofs and generate infinite ANC)?

The reponses are:
1) Gnosis
2) No because the setup will be done OUTSIDE the open source wallet code.

EDIT: If 2) response from Meeh is YES, then I'm out. You will never see me again here.

@rsa_ufo_attack
I do not tend to respond to trolling, however I do _not_ consider these questions to be trolling. Your requests for information might seem a bit hostile though and thrown onto the trolling pile. Like you pointed out these are completely legitimate questions that should be answered. However we do not have the answers to these questions at this time.
Preferably we will have a way to ensure that anyone can verify that the generated UFO's are in fact the ones that are deployed, and at the same time deliver proof of destruction of the initial parameters. Worst case scenario, the users might actually have to trust the dev team to do this right. If it comes down to trusting the team, it will probably hurt the price quite a bit, but the technology itself will in no way be impacted.

@everyone
Some additional information for those that haven't caught on yet. We are primarily in this project to push the boundaries of anonymity technology, not to amuse the investors that buy loads of the coin. To avoid zerocoin implementation using the UFO's (the best tech to date) because there is a slight chance it might be abused is not an option. It was said that it will be attacked and eventually cracked, this is a given. The important factor here is time.

To crack the UFO's will most likely require several decades even with a wast constant, or even increasing, amounts of computing power. With previous statements in the thread some people are indirectly implying that all development will halt when zc with ufo launches. This is certainly not the case. With zc and the UFO in place we will have _at least_ 5 years to come up with a better solution without ever being at risk of the UFO's being cracked.

If any of these risks are not acceptable to you, I suggest you drop your coin, and shift your interest towards another coin.

rsa_ufo_attack:

I only saw your question because it was quoted in another post (you are on ignore).

1. The RSA UFOs were generated using the algorithm of Sanders. You can verify this in the code that Gnosis published on github. The fact that it was generated using Sanders algorithm proves that no one knows that factorization. Please read the wiki, inspect the code, and read the Sanders paper. If you don't do this, you will have to trust the developers.

2. Of course. You realize this is open source, right?

Thanks BroxTroxer for your response. I'm sad to see that only BroxTroxer is smart and able to think by himself.

To lunokhod2:
Please understand that even if the code is open source, it would not prove that Gnosis have setup the 13 accumulators with RSA-UFO. You need to trust that Gnosis will setup the accumulators with the trustless RSA-UFO method. He can say what he want. If he setup them by himself to know the two factors (P and Q) of each accumulator, he will be able to forge zerocoin proofs and generate infinite ANC. Need to explain you the consequences of that?
Source: https://wiki.anoncoin.net/Zerocoin#Zerocoin_in_practice (Section: Criticisms, fourth paragraph)

The own Anoncoin wiki say that. We need to trust Gnosis. The implementation of zerocoin in Anoncoin is NOT trustless.
About the RSA-UFO project, it was just to remove the small factors (P and Q). Don't say bullshit please.

No, you don't need to trust anyone. You can verify how the accumulator works before compiling your code if you like. (ignore back on.)