Quote from: minerjoen on September 24, 2014, 05:26:58 AM

Quote from: soopy452000 on September 24, 2014, 05:04:00 AM

Quote from: minerjoen on September 24, 2014, 04:44:09 AM

Quote from: gorian on September 23, 2014, 06:58:33 PM

Who said to the Moon Grin

First of all its good that dev's are still doing things for this coin, that's for sure.. BUT, this coin will not go to the moon because sync problems are fixed after 3 months.. (also coins on marketcap placed on #400 have a working syncing wallet, they are on the moon? no.)
The only thing what can save this coin are the anon transactions, the whitepaper was good ( we also saw that on the currency market, we were on place 40 on coinmarketcap! ) but after all the delays, no eta's and etc about the anon transaction this coin is not even listed on the first page ( top 100 ), everyday i look at the price it's only dropping. And THAT are facts.

I still got a little, verry little trust in this coin. BUT if u look at the facts, u can call me stupid to have that.

Only thing we have is an coin + wallet with nothing special. Just an ordinairy coin like 99% of the rest. When u say here: to the moon, ofc the investors don't care, they wont make buy orders because of that, they wont make buy orders because sync should be finally fixed. Other coins, without this big community fix sync issues in 1 max 2 days.

Crying about donations is also something bad, all dev's who start coins without (hidden) premines know its an hobby project. AND they deserve and earn donations by showing results.
Here its an other situation, dev's are asking for donations in BTC before even making results. Not any lamp is flashing now? Again i will repeat the facts:
- price is getting lower everyday
- there is nothing anon (except an anon BETA MESSAGE systems ofc nobody care..)
- There is no cryptsy, no polinex
- There is no linux wallet ( all coins, even noob dev's have this on release

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- Last promise: big news from monday this week, and what is the news? hahaha sync is maybe fixed.
- Promises created 1 month ago a pump, ofc followed by dumps, any lamp is flashing now?
- Lot of big investors has leaved this coin, because the trust is broken and can't be fixed, even with anon
- When you talk about facts, dev's are deleting posts, and THAT is also 1 way from the 20 what hurt this coin, only thing what is allowed are positive lies. It should be allowed to speak out this words, we dont live in year 1500 with dictators
- Release from this navajocoin ( dont forget before this was sum 1 and sum 2, so this coin is older then 3 months ) was good thanks to an whitepaper based on words and pictures, but now a few months later there is still 0 proofs about the anon transaction

It's defently clear that things need to be changed to save this coin, an coin is not only based on trust, its also based on proofs and results. Look at cannabiscoin ( no i dont advertise i just take an example ), dev's show results everyweek, they are making big business in the real world with this coin. It started with trust + proof, now they dont need trust because it's clear they can be trust. ( at top 60 for more then 1 month now is 1 of the 50 facts )

Again, i dont spam,troll or want to talk negative, i want to speak about facts AND i want to get this fixed. Why? because i still got a little bit trust in this coin. I hope this message wont get deleted, i dont want quotes with: then leave ( because some kids here are doing that all the time and that's something very, very bad )
What this coin need is the whitepaper worked out, after that the trust can MAYBE get fixed. If dev's are not in state of do that, they should make that clear to us. And not hold us on a tinny wire what can be break every second.

Hello Mate,

I'm not going to argue with you mate because you are right and you have the right to question because as I know you were and still a Navajo fan right from the beginning , but I do have to disagree on a few things and would like to point them because I speak from the heard not every dev can achieve what we have achieved right now and not every dev will be running a coin for this amount of period without a single financial input from the community and certainly nothing upfront or after when I was asked to take over SummerCoin which was an abandoned coin and turn it into something successful, you should be glad that the Foundation only asked for assistance very recently and even that in minute amounts and to help in goodwill said that , we have some of the most talented and amazing developers working on this. You are also forgetting that NavajoCoin is the only coin to have successfully mitigated a Double Spend attack without major ramifications and was able survive due to the talented developers and with supportive people like yourself , people should not be making such a fuss about asking the community to contribute in anyway , because the community was not asked to contributed till recently , the Developer had to survive off his financials and only asked the assistance of the help from the foundation recently and when he was really stuck , the community should have helped him earlier right from the beginning but I guess no one bothered nor cared but the developer kept on working on it because he loved all about it , it is not easy to create a coin , swap the old coins , use all your hardware , electricity and put in all the resources , your time and also getting spoken shit about the foundation asking help of the community to help the developer a bit , we are not talking about Anon and implementation of it and asking contribution in promise of it , these contributions should have been made by the community on their own if they really cared about the coin leaving aside their personal gains and when they made off 100Ks when NavajoCoin hit 2000 sats and now you are folding your sleeves just because the foundation asked help from the community when all most of them didn't care 2 shits (apart from most of the investors and great supporters of Navajo who always helped) about NavajoCoin but their own personal gain ofcourse , so tell me brother! Who is selfish now? (I'm not specifically pointing at you but since you brought up the question I'm asking you?)

As for the implementations and plans a concrete time-plan will be released in a days.

~SoopY~

Hey dude,

First of all, and then i go back to the last words u speak about selfish. My plans was to stick on this coin, to put all the hardware i had to get those coins ( that also cost electricity ), after the mining period i took all my bitcoins what i can miss for alt coins, i sold all other alt coins to get more reserve on bitcoins for get Navajo coins. All my actions was based on trust, this because there was no proofs of work ( i know about the situations from sum2 -> navajo what u did good, i know about the double spend what get worked out good, and not only me, but we are all thankfull for doing that, because it was an situation for almost an death coin )
I donated bitcoins aka euro's for getting navajocoins, i donated electricity for getting sum2/navajocoins. I donated nothing directly to the dev team, why? Because that's not fair at this time, i can not donate for something what is still not worked out. U can call that selfish, i call it normall.

Other dev teams earn donations after they showed the facts ( at least the fair dev's, again some are taking it by premines what will fail directly ). After the whitepaper is worked out, u guys get automaticly donations from everybody because u earned that. That is how donations work. I know it cost u time and electricity to work on this coin, but u knew that before u start develop for it. It's an hobby.
When i start a shop i need to spend money on it, later i earn it back because people love my goods (anon transaction etc) and shop ( coin ) and my employees and myself ( dev team ), after that i earn money.
Only different between an shop in reall life and a coin is that when i open a new shop i have a bank what give me money for realise that, and in the cryptoworld there is no bank what give u money for start your job.

Ofcourse it's your right to ask for donations when u need it, but in my eyes it was not good to ask for donations in this situation. People are pissed / angry because there are still no results from the whitepaper, and in the middle of this bad situation dev team is asking for donations. Then you can call me selfish, but that's not right.

Everyday i look at this forum in the hope to see some good downloadable things what will change everything.

What you say now: As for the implementations and plans a concrete time-plan will be released in a few hours. i really cant wait to see this, this things makes me happy over and over again. But i'm aware of getting dissapointed.

I also dont like it to talk bad to u guys, because i'm 99% in reall life your a bunch of good guys. But i want to get things done, i want to speak out what i see what is going on, i want that this coin will be succesfull, not only in price, but also in this world. Just like bitcoin is doing, i want that navajocoin is the anon version from it.
Ofcourse i will donate some bitcoins to u guys when everything is going well with this coin. I'm not a type of person what donate in bad situations ( its good if people do that, i dont tell them to dont do it) i'm just a type what will donate for facts and results. But that's not selfish, that's how i look at against this and everything in the world.

Example, i use spybot search and destroy since the begin, i never had any problems with it. It was free to download they dont ask money for it, BUT there is a choice to donate money, first 2-3 years i used it without donations, till i saw it's just doing his job and i donate every year some euro's, because they earn that.

Hello Mate,

Thank you very much for your reply , first of all to clear out one thing and for us to not go back and forth about it haha I did not in anyway call You Selfish, I implied that if you think the Navajo Developers or the Foundation is selfish we are not , but also wanted to point to entities looking only for the gain and ofcourse you are not on that lot. And I'm very well aware that you always spoke for the best of NavajoCoin and that is why my respect for you always lies where it is so leave all that to rest yes you are right asking is one thing and giving out donations is another and ofcourse everyone has their rights to engage or not , while you have made some very good points and still believe in the capacity of NavajoCoin , I believe we have a good future ahead.

So leaving all that aside I'm aware as much as you are that you are a great guy , who has a solid investment in NavajoCoin and would like to see it prosperous and ofcourse have the love and care for it or you would not be bothered to encourage and show the Foundation and Developers their faults and would want them to rectify them and make NavajoCoin a success.

I can assure you that whatever we have set forth and what ever we are yet to achieve are possible and we will together , working in a common consensus and thus we will get there so there is a lot to be hopeful of and ofcourse deliverance.

While coming back to the point that I knew I had to bear the first few months , ofcourse I did mate and that is why I never troubled the community nor the foundation because there was no need for it but then , when it was a worst case senario I just had to and at the very last moment when there were no options left and even that the slightest amount to cover a tiny gap.

While I'm thankful and ofcourse very grateful and respectful for your undivided support and clear vision towards NavajoCoin and also would like to thank you for your words of encouragement and great wisdom as well strength to keep Navajo going forward , I would also like to be thankful and my heartfelt gratitude for contributing to NavajoCoin in everyway possible and supporting the same.

~SoopY~