Quote from: bodgybrothers on September 25, 2014, 04:05:10 AM

I did a profile on Manl over multiple accounts when Dicebitcoin started, and he exhibits signs of a classic con man.

The senarios below sum up the testing I did on Dicebitcoin (I also did these same tests on Dooglus, Dean and Stunna. These 3 passed the test)
1. account has over 20btc deposited, manl is very freindly. Even when I ask stupid questions
2. Account has a flakes deposited, manl is very rude, even when I ask legit questions
3. Account has nothing in it. Manl is trolling me hard.

Con men will always get their victims through gaining trust. They gain trust in 3 ways:
1. trust by association
2. trust by acting like a trustworthy figure. Like dressing like a pilot or doctor etc (not possible online)
3. trust by explaining what great deeds they did in the past. <-- this is the biggest sign of a conman.

Dicebitcoin is guilty of 1 & 3. By gaining Dooglus's trust in the beginning they obtained trust by association. This was massive for them and gained the entire community trust which meant they now had everyone's trust (except mine). Doog is not to blame here, he trusted them and they used that to gain more trust in the community.

Dicebitcoin then proceeded to do the long con. They know, gamblers don't usually verify, because most gamblers believe that because it is verifiable then they wont be cheated. Investors trust the owners and cannot verify if they are being cheated. So a dice site like dicebitcoin would play on their own accounts to get income from investors. They would then reduce the payout amount on the player accounts by skipping a few bets here and there to make up for it. It seemed that the amount of this reducing player accounts was indeed buggy, as finnile's account would never have been intended for a setting of 90% bets losing. Then use trust to create a story, since now you got caught stealing.
One would pay out the people who lost because you need to keep the trust levels up. You would then proceed to do the impossible with mateo account (I watched it live for hours). Then to con people into false trust again, you lose all the gains to the bank once everyone has already divested. You then try for new trust by saying it was variance and mateo just got lucky. We actually talked about this while it was happening. We predicted Mateo would lose to the bank at some point to show the betting was legit. And that's what happened.. Mateo's winning was impossible in terms of variance, and hit just so happened that the worlds luckiest guy was around on Dicebitcoin when they got caught stealing.

The entire thing is classic con man. You couldn't write a better psychological example of how con men operate.

The argument of "I didn't run with 7000 btc so i must be trusted" is not a good one, because most con men will run a long term con to make the most profit and keep trust in the community. No good con men works like a petty thief, they are sophisticated in the art of social engineering.

Also, keep in mind we do not know who dicebitcoin are. Whois lookup is false, your names are fake... there is nothing tracing you back to who you are. Dooglus is traceable, and when I tested his character on JD, a year go, he didn't change his personality if i had no money or a lot of money.

Casino investors and players, please do not fall for social engineered scams. People question Stunna at PD all the time, but the fact is, he can't scam investors, because he has none. and he can't scam players, because he has a provably fair algorithm. If you don't like his algorithm, then don't play there. And always verify your bets on all sites!

You sir are the king of suckpuppets

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The senarios below sum up the testing I did on Dicebitcoin (I also did these same tests on Dooglus, Dean and Stunna. These 3 passed the test)
1. account has over 20btc deposited, manl is very freindly. Even when I ask stupid questions
2. Account has a flakes deposited, manl is very rude, even when I ask legit questions
3. Account has nothing in it. Manl is trolling me hard.

We were ALWAYs friendly, and helpful, WITH EVERYONE. If you have evidence of the opposite, i ask you kindly to provide it here

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Doog is not to blame here, he trusted them and they used that to gain more trust in the community.

We already had 2k BTCs invested, before dooglus starts playing/investing/showing his support.

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The argument of "I didn't run with 7000 btc so i must be trusted" is not a good one, because most con men will run a long term con to make the most profit and keep trust in the community

That is beyond stupid. We never expect the BR to reach those numbers again, tbh im quite suprized it even stayed around 2k.

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They know, gamblers don't usually verify, because most gamblers believe that because it is verifiable then they wont be cheated

That is SO WRONG. If i was a gambler, and i lost, FIRST thing i would do is VERIFY my rolls. Simple as that. Also, if you really were in chat(that i highly doubt), you would see, everytime some big bust was going on, we and mods would say everytime: VERIFY YOUR ROLLS.

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You then try for new trust by saying it was variance and mateo just got lucky. We actually talked about this while it was happening. We predicted Mateo would lose to the bank at some point to show the betting was legit. And that's what happened.. Mateo's winning was impossible in terms of variance, and hit just so happened that the worlds luckiest guy was around on Dicebitcoin when they got caught stealing.

There is NO IMPOSSIBLE in variance. Highly unlikely yes, impossible no. So, you predicted that mateo will lose? Then you should invest when profit was -330 BTC! Imagine how much coins you would have made! If mateo lost --> you predicted it --> scam. If mateo didnt lose --> we stole them --> scam. I like your logic

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Also, keep in mind we do not know who dicebitcoin are. Whois lookup is false, your names are fake... there is nothing tracing you back to who you are. Dooglus is traceable, and when I tested his character on JD, a year go, he didn't change his personality if i had no money or a lot of money.

Dooglus is not traceable. Wake up. Please give me example of how you"tested" my character, im really curious on your claims! Oh yes, its been a long time/you didnt save the logs/you lost your screenshot?

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People question Stunna at PD all the time, but the fact is, he can't scam investors, because he has none. and he can't scam players, because he has a provably fair algorithm.

Our algorithm is a provably fair as well, and ANYONE can verify it. Check your facts, and come again.

Quote from: Joecker on September 25, 2014, 11:28:43 AM

Very good analysis bodgybrothers.
Time to find the man(L)Gerr and their families, and offer them a one way ticket to ISIS-recreation park.

As for you, i put you a negative trust, because i had enough of your shit. You can leave me back, as you could possibly check, the trust system is not my no1 priority.

Regards