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Quote from: Farisr9k on September 26, 2014, 02:24:20 PM

I believe in God. I don't think it is essential to have a Scientific proof that God exists.

Everything in science revolves around evidence. Many scientific "facts" have been proven wrong over the years, when other scientific facts proved them wrong.

We don't live in a vacuum. We don't simply pick a fictional thing to believe in, and then simply believe. Rather, we look at the evidence, and when the evidence is not sufficient to be proof, we either believe, or we don't believe. When the evidence becomes so overwhelmingly absolute, we stop believing, because there is proof. We no longer believe. Rather, we know.

This is why the religions almost always talk about faith. It has to do with something for which there is strong evidence. Yet the evidence isn't something that quite makes it to the area of proof.

This is the exact reason why scientific beliefs that old age earth is a fact, and that evolution is a fact, are really religious beliefs. There seems to be strong evidence for these scientific ideas. Yet there isn't enough evidence to make them facts. So, when we hold to them, it is by belief, faith that they are true. This kind of science is essentially religion.

What's interesting is, when you stand science next to God, God is much stronger from a religious point of view, at least regarding the age of the earth and where life comes from.

How does god make the Earth being 6000 years old a fact?
And please don't write 50 lines of anti-science stuff. Just show us the evidences.

The evidence is/lies in the strength of the witnesses, whose strength lies in in the writings of Moses, whose credibility for at least using strong supernatural power is built around strong tradition of a whole nation of people who are very traditionally minded, and very precision-accurate when transcribing their religious books that contain their traditional-national beliefs, strongly holding that these traditions are true.

Fact is fact. Proof is something else. All we have, either in science or religion is evidence. If you examine the strength of tradition in the Jewish religion as a science, you will find that THAT evidence overcomes any we have in standard science.

Sorry about the many lines.

EDIT: Decky is getting to me. I'm starting to have to erase the second period at the end of the sentences I write.

You have faith in a book some people wrote thousands of years ago
I have faith in uranium datation

I don't get why you think the uranium results are wrong though

Again, it isn't only the Book. It's the tradition behind the Book, including the history and tradition of the people of Israel, the Jewish nation. And, there is more than that. There is my own personal spiritual evidence, in my heart.

Half-life dating can be wrong. We don't know that the laws of physics have remained the same over the millennia. See http://blog.ted.com/2013/03/19/the-debate-about-rupert-sheldrakes-talk/. The evidence is that physics changes regularly.