Quote from: Biomech on October 08, 2014, 11:19:42 PM

Quote from: BADecker on October 08, 2014, 10:49:50 PM

Quote from: Biomech on October 08, 2014, 07:03:30 AM

Quote from: Sunderland on October 07, 2014, 12:49:21 PM

i think we are not hate that religion , but we hate bad people / organization who hide behind that religion to make a mess in this world

I hate religion. No, let me rephrase that. I hate organized religion. A belief system held to oneself or imediate family that harms no other, I got no real problem with. Even if it's anti reality or just plain silly, it harms me not. Or as Thomas Jefferson said it neither picks my pocket nor breaks my legs.

But when two nasty elements come together, as they do in relgious organization(s), it gets ugly. Those elements being the lust for power and the claim of ultimate authority. Most religions, I daresay all religious organizations, have a greater or lesser degree of these elements. I actually tend to single out Christianity as it has had the greatest personal detriment to me. Islam is no different in that.

The most rabid fundamentalist is harmless without backers, followers, and sycophants. Religion breeds 'em like rabbits.

Remember, the origin of Christianity was just one guy, who gathered around Himself a dozen disciples. He didn't even go after people. His start was simply trying to help out at a wedding when He turned water into wine. It was the people seeking Him out, after than, that started the religion. It was a bunch of people - a good segment of the nation of ancient Israel - who sought Him out to make Him their King and religious leader. Where do yo draw the line?

Actually, as near as we can determine, it was started (in a way) by the one sect of Judaism NOT specifically named and called out in the Christian scriptures: The Essenes. There is no good evidence that Yeheshua Ben Yusef actually ever existed, though it's a common enough name for the time. But the precepts are exactly Essene, and many essene writings of the time and a bit before are directly in line with early Christianity.

And I draw the line at provable reality AND harm to others. Not a very wide line.

Don't we have writings from both Pontious Pilate and whichever Caesar was ruling at the time of Jesus' death, that describe Him as being blonde?