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Re: Why do people hate islam?
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Dende
on 13/10/2014, 01:18:57 UTC
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And how can the world that is contained within it corruption, destruction, injustice, and evil be paradise?

So let's corrupt, destruct, add sectarian justice and spread more evil? Is that your goal?
Making a Paradise here relies on all of us, not in your imaginary friend.

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I also see you didn't understand what I said.
When I refer to the strange "Jesus-Mo" link, I'm referring to such a stupid statement as "Muhammad suffered", this is hijacking Jesus' legend, Muhammad suffered nothing, made others suffer.
And the lawyer part, is that you SOUND like a lawyer defending a psychopath with the usual "he had a difficult childhood" argument.

Then this:

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We know the benefits of milk but camel urine, maybe site below can clarify

Let me clarify to you; urine is a known "treatment" to psoriasis and other skin problems in topic application: this means directly in the affected skin. It does absolutely nothing, but nausea and spikes of salt in the system, to drink it.
Camel milk has absolutely no effect on healing anything, is just a plain regular milk, the only thing it "heals" is hunger. Your claims are pure snake oil.

About paradise it seems we have different understanding about it. In Islam, paradise does not contain any of the four things mentioned. There is where one will have absolute peace and contentment, no backbiting and no jealousy. There are many descriptions of paradise that can be found in Quran and Hadith, this is one of them.
"Gardens of perpetual residence, which they will enter, beneath which rivers flow. They will have therein whatever they wish. Thus does Allah reward the righteous -" (16:31)
http://quran.com/16/31
But of course it is not for free, this world is a test and only who passes it is worthy of paradise.
"Or do you think that you will enter Paradise while such [trial] has not yet come to you as came to those who passed on before you? They were touched by poverty and hardship and were shaken until [even their] messenger and those who believed with him said,"When is the help of Allah ?" Unquestionably, the help of Allah is near." (2:214)
http://quran.com/2/214
Doing corruption, destruction, injustice and evil are against teachings of Islam and who does any of them will only help one reach hell instead of paradise.

As for the last point I stand with my explanation, you dont have to agree if you dont want to.
Camel milk and urine do not sound medicinal today but 1430 years ago people dont have much to go by and Muslims believe anything that Allah or Muhammad (peace be upon him) has commanded to do is for our own good. We know the benefits of milk but camel urine, maybe site below can clarify
http://islamqa.info/en/83423

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I agree with the last point, dialogue between Muslim and non-Muslim can broaden up perspective in search of solutions to the problems that we are seeing today and working together is better than by oneself. Moreover it can also relieve tensions and misunderstandings between different people of different religions.
And don't forget those who are of no religion, such as I, those whom do not qualify as "people of the book", those who are utter infidels, kafir, by the tenets of your creeds, and all of what that means, to the various sects and subdivisions of your religion.

There is very little misunderstanding on my part on these matters, but I do agree with you that there is in the world much misunderstanding, central to it is your animosity toward your traditional and historical enemies, those evil Jooooeees.  Much misunderstanding is fomented and much hate is kept alive by selectively using parts of old religious tracts, often about this or that piece of land being "holy".  That is of course total nonsense, there is no piece of land with attributes holier than another, because there is no such thing as "holy".

It is a hollow shell, with no meaning whatsoever.  Oh, and by the way, neither Christians nor Jews have any comparable evil to your splintered sects which follow Sayd Qutb.
Of course, including atheists as well. And the meaning of the term kafir below
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The Qur'an uses the word kufr to denote people who cover up or hide realities. The Qur'an uses this word to identify those who denied Allah's favors by not accepting His Dominion and Authority. Kufr thus is an antonym for iman or disbelief in Allah and a kafir is a non-believer.
Source and more info
http://sunnahonline.com/library/beliefs-and-methodology/87-types-of-kufr-disbelief
Kafir is not a word one can easily be thrown around, it is like saying a person is not going to paradise. Whether a person deserves heaven or hell, that is not for humans to decide. And saying kafir to another Muslim is not to be taken lightly as shown in Hadith below.
"Narrated Abu Huraira: Allah's Messenger (peace be upon him) said, "If a man says to his brother, O Kafir (disbeliever)!' Then surely one of them is such (i.e., a Kafir). " (Sahih Bukhari)
http://sunnah.com/bukhari/78/130

"central to it is your animosity toward your traditional and historical enemies"
What I wrote does not entail any animosity to the Jews at all. I just mentioned that so people would try to look into news source outside of the mass media.

"Oh, and by the way, neither Christians nor Jews have any comparable evil to your splintered sects which follow Sayd Qutb."
If you want to point to Al-Qaeda, what they did to US during 9/11 attack that caused almost 3000 death of innocents was wrong and is condemned. I dont know what measurement that you use for "evilness", if the number of death of innocents in a single event to be the measurement then what US did to either Hiroshima or Nagasaki was far more evil. 90,000–166,000 and 39,000–80,000 estimated deaths caused by the nuclear bombs in Hiroshima and Nagasaki respectively.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atomic_bombings_of_Hiroshima_and_Nagasaki
And now which religion had influenced on this atrocity? certainly not Islam. I dont think Christianity or Judaism has anything to do with this either.

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If peace-ability is the benchmark for a religion then there is only one true religion and the Buddha is his prophet.
I would argue if there is a god which created this whole universe and maintain it, it is natural to think god has much higher authority than us to decide what religion anybody should have. I would argue more that god has the upmost authority to decide over anything.
The issue is that there are a lot of different religions out there that claim what they believe in is the true religion that came from god.
If there is a god and if there is a true religion out of the many, what do you think the criteria that should be taken in picking out the right religion?

And if you have time please watch this video
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J5eXu2yZZuk
The two speakers go through intellectual thought process to arrive at the existence of god and discuss about the purpose of life.
I thought about this video while writing response to you, they provide in the video much better arguments, have much broader perspective compared to me and will give much better explanation than I ever could.