Quote from: Cubic Earth on October 16, 2014, 10:50:07 PM

Quote from: piotr_n on October 16, 2014, 09:28:05 PM

The cruel thing about blockchain economics is that it's not for Gain, nor for any of his friends to decide about sizes of the blocks.
It's the mining, that he doesn't care of.

So I just wonder what is in this guy's head when he assumes that miners actually care about him and his opinion on a size of their blocks? Who is he actually speaking to with poems like this and what is a point of this?

People who understand the problem know that the key to make bitcoin really scalable and keeping transactions cheap is adding a layer of off-chain transactions on top of the existing protocol.
Even Gavin knows that - but apparently he prefers to have been spending the past two years of his life on developing an 'intelligent' fee discovery system and writing papers on why the blocks must be bigger.

And don't worry - he won't mind me saying it, I'm on his ignore list.

I can see why you might be on Gavin's ignore list.... your post has a very grumpy tinge to it. Getting onto your concerns, bitcoin is more than just mining. The users and people who build services are important too. Bitcoin is strong not because of some computers, but because of how, as a community, we use those computers. So it is in important to keep everyone together as much as possible.

pitor_n, it sounds like you are speaking as if Gavin was proposing to create a MaxBlockSize when there was none before. If some miners started creating 3MB blocks right now, they would just be ignored. Why is that?

Gavin's proposal is basically encouraging the network to give miners more freedom. The blocksizelimit was actually Satoshi's idea, to protect the network from attack. Satoshi's concept limited what miners could do, and Gavin is proposing to lift that limit, thereby giving miners more freedom. And you think Gavin is trying to control the miners? Do you think miners care what Satoshi's opinion was on the size of their blocks? Do you think miners care what other miners think about the size of their blocks? And what if some miners looked to Gavin as a leader in the community? I'm a miner, and for the moment, it matters to me what Gavin thinks. I read lots of opinions. I don't follow blindly.

There is a negative incentive in mining too big blocks, as they propagate longer thus giving a higher chance of getting orphaned.
You can try to lift the block size limit in the protocol, but even if the miners had allowed you to do it, they would still be limiting this very size, because of personal incentives - and that's all a developer needs to know about blocksize economics.