Quote from: freedomno1 on October 23, 2014, 02:36:36 AM

Quote from: Stunna on October 22, 2014, 02:09:34 PM

I've been thinking of going with unlimited number of posts allowed per user on a pay per post basis. Essentially there will be no limit to how much you can earn. HOWEVER, we will have very strict rules regarding spamming. Hilariousandco would be monitoring all participants very closely and we'd have extremely clear guidelines on what is considered a constructive post. Basically we want to not restrict people but at the same time 100% ensure we aren't having a negative effect on the quality of content posted within this forum.

With this being said, what would a fair pay per post be?

I've noticed competition for pay per post has dropped a lot. There really isn't any campaign willing to pay users out large amounts of BTC. Would people be happy with ~0.0006/post for Sr/Hero? This is lower than where we last left off, but with no limits it'll most likely still be more profitable.

Thoughts?

Keep in mind this is just me thinking aloud and nothing is confirmed what so ever. We're still most likely going with the fixed rates.

It would be interesting since it would be a testing ground to see how much bloat versus productive posts there are
Some months are a lot more interesting than others in Bitcoin and those are the ones where a lot of stuff tends to go down
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The Canadian Regulators were what I thought was interesting this month myself and mintpal...

As for The rate of Pay Per Post

At 200 that is 0.12 BTC so its 4X the amount of posting to pass B/E (break even) than Greencoin which I am in which has a 50/mo rate but its a bit of an unusual one in that sense since it was upfront and is 0.02 above the baseline of pretty much everyone else which uses 0.1.

It would have been double the work of pocket dice with 25 posts CAP or 0.03/week making it effectively the same
Only you would need to only do 100 posts but the campaign just closed.

Where it would be attractive at is an average over 200 posts a month or 6.6 posts a day in the forum pretty reasonable not much of a wide range from there, other wise a standby at 50 posts a month for 0.1 would be more attractive.

I guess at around 2 X to 3X the work/ads of a fixed post campaign
The rates would begin to be more attractive at 4X it might be a bit too much work for the effort.

That puts the rate at around 0.0007-0.001/post. (Or I guess upper limit at old Senior Rate)

50 = 0.1 Fixed
@ 0.0006/Post
166 Posts = 0.1
3.32 X The Work of a fixed at 50 rate

50 = 0.1 Fixed
@ 0.0007/Post
142 Posts = 0.1
2.84 X The work of a fixed at 50 rate

50 = 0.1 Fixed
@0.0008/Post
100 = 0.08 So 125 posts would = 0.1 still leaving an upside that H@C maybe Micro etc can monitor while still being an effective checkpoint.
2.5 Times the Work to get a rate higher than the fixed rate.

@ 0.0009/ Post that is 2.2 X the work
111= 0.1

@ 0.001
2X the work
100 = 0.1
50 = 0.1 Fixed

Looking at the range anywhere between 2X to 3X thats between 0.0007 per post to 0.001 makes it attractive in a relative scale
I think 2.5X seems like a good standby point myself but its just one metric so lets others discuss it further.

Offering two types of systems is also a possibility as moneypot runs two models allowing people a Choice instead of choosing one system or another.
The fixed is a lower rate that the pay per post maximum is but also requires less posting so a balance can be maintained.
That said its still the most competitive one for full members presently at pay per post.
To outmode that for Full Members a cap of 100 + 1 would win that ranking tier.
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=767639.0

This is very good analysis. One thing that should be remembered however is that there is essentially zero competition for advertisers. There are not any pay per post signature campaigns for senior (or above) accounts period right now. The two campaigns that are open to additional members and have a post requirement (fortunejack and PRCDice.eu both effectively pay .001 per post if you post the exact number of posts required. They are both pretty good for active posters however they also force you to post in a very even manner as they payout once per week and do not allow posts to carry over (if you are one post short you are out of luck and kicked out of the campaign). There are several that pay effectively .002 per post (paying exactly 50 posts) however they are almost always full. If Stunna hadn't have been right about dicebitco.in scamming then things might be a little different as they would probably still be in the signature campaign market, but even the last time they opened up their campaign they were able to fill 100 spots within ~36 hours or so.

I agree that there should be very clear, specific rules as to what posts will be paid and which posts will not be paid (I don't see any reason why users can't post in the off topic section for example, as long as they understand they will not be paid for such posts). You should have multiple people (it would probably be too large a job for just one person) check users' post throughout the month and keep track of how many "payable" posts they have made (this would also eliminate the logistical issue of receiving 100's of PM's around the same time each month trying to get everyone paid) every day or every week, allowing for payments to be made automatically.

As for payment structure I might suggest, say a flat rate of .05 for the first 50 posts, then an additional .02375 for at least 75 posts total, then an additional .045 for at least 125 posts total, then an additional .0008 for each post above 125 posts. This would give users a disincentive to spam as they get a less amount on a per post basis after each threshold is met.

In the above example: posts
1 - 50 would be paid an effective rate of .001 per post
51 - 75 would be paid an effective rate of .00095 per post
76 - 125 would be paid an effective rate of .009 per post
126+ would be paid a rate of .008

If you wanted to pay higher levels more then you could add say 20% to hero members, and 25% to legendary/staff members.

I think this scheme (or a similar scheme) would allow you to remain competitive with other advertisers, as the rate for the first 50 posts is on par with the competition, while allowing/encouraging members to post more then only 50 posts, giving you a maximum level of exposure, while also not breaking your advertising budget.