Quote from: fedor3327 on October 26, 2014, 10:23:51 PM

Interesting .....

Quote from: Phantom Trader on October 15, 2014, 04:57:26 PM

Quote from: sunny1 on October 14, 2014, 12:15:05 PM

Seems they are already operating a new scheme: https://www.esotericinvestments.com

I have contacted their support with a silly question and the reply was almost identical to what BT replied at the time they were still replying.

What was the question and response from Esoteric Investments and Bitcoin Trader? Because my impression is a strong thats not them just someone else that knows how to make money in the crypto markets and is opening that ability up to other people...making more in the process I'm sure, as that is business.

My research found that Esoteric Investments isn't Bitcoin Trader. They are a registered LLC in New Jersey, USA by Dan Pace and Glenn Crystal (Not John Carley) since March when Bitcoin trader was doing fairly well. Pretty simple business search could have found that out for you.

Plus they are in America if Esoteric goes Gox in America, The United stated will not hesitate to drop the hammer on a scam especially a bitcoin scam they are just waiting to make an example of someone. And it was pretty clear that Bitcoin Trader was avoiding being stations in the USA despite most of their actual business and events were in the states.

If you all were so in love with Bitcoin Traders performance I think Esoteric is at least worth a look as the next thing, and hopefully Bitcoin trader doesnt gox and then we can diversify among two of these passive incomes.

I'm already in them for a small trial amount to test the waters. Feel free to use my referral to help me earn a little more.
https://www.esotericinvestments.com?refid=4

Before he said that he isn't eso owner but customer. After some doxxing .... He is owner he wide open and friendly too.
Is someone here from NJ ? Maybe that real address from someone else..... Too suspicious .....
Anyway he cannot take investments without license. In US such license cost...... too much. I know what I'm saying.

I think that's obvious scam.

Edit. Gave neg trust. Without license that website is a scam.
Regards.

Esoteric Investments is owned by Glenn Crystal (Big Deej) and Dan Pace (Phantom Trader)
Dan only recently re-partnered with Glenn, so he may have been a customer at one point

You do not need a liscense to take investments in BTC, only in USD which Esoteric Investments is currently trying to obtain, and should obtain in the near future. Which is why at this point it only offers a BTC investment.
The USD investments will offer a fixed 5% return

This is not a scam, you can verify that it is registered in the US yourself.