Quote from: DumbFruit on October 30, 2014, 08:25:26 PM

Quote from: turvarya on October 30, 2014, 04:34:02 PM

@DumbFruit
Are you also one of this pedophiles, who think sex with minors is ok, when they "choose" to do it?
So, are also minor sexworkers, ok?
If not, what is the difference to "choosing" to work in a mine?

I was hoping that I could lead you to water, but apparently you won't have any of that. I asked you, "Why do you suppose they don't have a choice?"

The answer is because they don't have schools. Why don't they have schools? Because they haven't accumulated enough capital to afford the free time in order to pay people in a service industry. Why don't they have capital? Because they haven't worked enough to accumulate it.

So there you go. They're choosing to work so that one day they, or their children, might be able to afford to go to school, by interfering with people in third world countries working, you are literally interfering with their ability to accumulate capital, and therefore to ever be able to afford to go to school.

I know that's very abstract, that's how I tend to start out for some reason. Lets break this whole problem down to a relate-able issue.

Suppose that Armageddon happened tomorrow and nearly everyone on the planet vaporized because of aliens or whatever (I told you this was going to be relate-able). So you get up in the morning and presumably you're very good at whatever it is you do, but the bottom line is unless you're a farmer, those skills are useless.

You would want a tractor, you would want a mechanical auger, you would want an elaborate water transportation and irrigation system, but even if these things were given to you you're only well off until they broke down. How would you get the parts to keep it repaired? How would you get the gasoline? How would you get the tools to make the parts, or the tools to get the gasoline?

The bottom line is you're pretty much hosed because the problem of getting a tractor is only scratching the surface of your problems. The real problem is the entire infrastructure of the world you knew has been obliterated and you alone could not hope to build it from scratch in your lifetime.

So what do you do? You work your ass off. You plow by hand, you plant by hand, your life sucks. Maybe eventually your children or your neighbors start mining coal, the conditions are terrible, the work is hard, and their life sucks (But it's better than working on the farm!). Eventually down the line maybe, just maybe, if enough knowledge is accumulated and enough people can get together, the world as we know it could be built back up. You and everyone you know will likely work in terrible conditions day in and day out, and you will be afflicted by diseases and famine and have nowhere to turn to. No amount of petitioning, or bellyaching, or unionizing, or protesting will help because the resources simply aren't there.

That's pretty much what the third world is. In the third world the resources simply aren't there. There is an entire infrastructure of skills and capital that simply doesn't exist. You cannot just wish it away, you can't just send them tools, and you can't even just give people knowledge. That will help if it's done right, but the bottom line is working your way out of third world status is in the hands of the third world. If they're going to do it, it's going to be through long, tedious, and dangerous hard work though it won't be nearly as bad as it was for my ancestors, because we've already shown them how it's done.

We can help the third world in two ways that come to mind;
1.) Careful, moderate, individual charity that succeeds in its goals but avoids dependence.
2.) Free trade. Free trade of knowledge and free trade of capital.

Charity must be done by individuals because government charity is enormously wasteful, badly targeted, fails at its objectives, and creates dependence.

Free trade should be free trade absolutely. No currency games, no sanctions, and no strings. As long as everyone follows the Non-Aggression Principle everyone should be free to make arrangements with each-other that are mutually beneficial even if other people might find them offensive.

How fast can a third world country make it to first-world status if we even approach these conditions? Possibly 35 years.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Singapore

I know you will probably cry foul because Singapore is not an anarchist state, but crucially to succeed from an anarcho-capitalists perspective is to have economic freedom that approaches anarchy. You can tell that a society approaches anarchy when the regulations are almost nonexistent, and taxes are almost nonexistent.

The United States had these conditions until about the 1900's. Singapore, Hong Kong, the Dutch East India Company, Britain, and Rome all succeeded by adhering to these ideas. They all did or will fail as they succumb to socialism/statism.

Anarcho-Capitalism is not a all-or-nothing philosophy like Communism. The closer you get to achieving it, the more prosperous you become.

So, the best a kid can do, is over sex to tourists to make the most capital.
Ok, got it.