Quote from: Elwar on November 01, 2014, 09:38:20 AM

Quote from: BADecker on October 31, 2014, 08:01:27 PM

Quote from: BitMos on October 31, 2014, 02:18:50 PM

Quote from: BADecker on October 31, 2014, 01:51:06 PM

Yes, but he wouldn't be able to force them to take the pay and step out.

The United States is set up under common law. But with the IRS tax, and the Obama welfare, the people are ~~almost~~ forced to accept the pay.

They say that they want to force you to pay for the sick (moral attack if you don't want), but to face the truth, all is about creating big pool of money for those unable to provide values to others to leech. Why should I be forced to pay money to the health issues of my amish gay smoking pot&drinking booze while playing poker in a dry town friend? Do you want me to restack him even? I don't get it... And how do you think it sustainable? Shall my friend be forced (reconditioned) to not drink, smoke and gamble? would be better for him anyway Roll Eyes

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Perhaps you don't understand what I am saying. And perhaps I don't understand what you mean.

Nobody is forced to pay the IRS. All people who remain ignorant might be forced to pay the IRS. Remaining in ignorance is not a requirement. That's what the links I referenced are about - and other things, like freedom to smoke or not to smoke.

The common law of the United States offers, maybe, a hundred times the freedom that the people are exercising. The people would like to have the freedoms. But they simply don't know how to do it. Start by reviewing the links I entered.

The fact that the current law has been superseded by the concept of precedent has erased just about anything in the Constitution. If someone were to put the pieces together that (for example) found that the third Amendment actually disallows eminent domain for building military bases, the fact that it has been done for hundreds of years would mean that a precedent has been set and that it is now legal. Even if it is un-Constitutional.

And the fact that the law has been superseded by the concept of precedent comes down to the fact that the people with the power and the guns have deemed it so. No amount of pointing at the Constitution can change that.

The Constitution was created to justify giving power to a new group of people...or more accurately, minimizing the resistance due to the thought that the new people in charge will be more fair in their use of that power than their predecessors.

Only the civil section of law has been influenced in a strong way by precedent. The fact that new precedent can be set that overturns old precedent shows that precedent isn't as important as one might think.

The old is just as strong as it ever was. All government officials are required to take the Oath of Office to uphold the Constitution. The Constitution has two parts: 1) the civil part; 2) the common law part, which supersedes the civil part.

The only effective precedent against common law is the precedent of ignorance among the people. This ignorance precedent has been propagated and promoted by certain puppet government people, and by their string pullers. Yet, the original common law is there for anyone to use. That's why the jury nullification issue is receiving a lot of attention these days.

To see the school training in civics that we are missing (because government is trying to push us entirely into civil law), don't just peruse, but rather absorb everything at http://1215.org/. And when you have understood a reasonable amount of it, go here http://www.youtube.com/channel/UC5duR4OvEHHxOSdEZhANETw and here http://www.youtube.com/user/765736/videos?view=0&live_view=500&flow=grid&sort=da for some of the best practical application of it - common law.

EDIT: Don't misunderstand about common law. There is a common law in the civil part of government. This is what precedent is. There is also, original common law. This is the common law of the people. It is NOT precedent law, even though the results of using it can change over time.

The people's common law makes us all kings and queens with regard to our property. Fourteenth Amendment people are subject to civil law, and are subject to the knowledgeable common law wielder. Which one do you want to be?