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TLDR bitcoin is a global digital currency, regulation was created in tandem with development and adoption, bitcoin is not and never was meant to be a liberty promoting value exchange. There is no "satoshi". The central banks are already the largest holders of bitcoin. Bitcoin IS going to the moon because of this.

I don't really buy it. The logic recipe is the same I've seen all over conspiracy forums: a handful of unverifiable evidence, a healthy dose of hyperbole, a smidgen of paranoia and a dash of bad storytelling. Check out the full-on schizophrenic conspiracies... those are great fun to read and would make great fiction if the writers didn't actually believe what they wrote.

But let's pretend that you're right. By your reasoning the NSA/government has access just about everything... social media, bittorrent, hardware, operating systems. Even Linux is likely backdoored. That gives them access to basically everything. What about whistleblowers? Of course they are plants to placate us. So we're all doomed. What's the solution? Altcoins? Those would be eventually compromised too...

Abandon all hope? OK, if you say so Cheesy

In reality if Gavin's credibility were ever put into question, he would be replaced in a heartbeat by consensus. There are many other devs who contribute to Bitcoin code. Also, how do Central Banks/governments change the Bitcoin protocol to further their tyrannical control if the consensus is left to the miners?

Is it really that simple, or do we live in an imperfect world with imperfect individuals attempting to run imperfect systems of governments?

Look, I'm not opposed to conspiracies. I simply think that most of them are a lazy cop-out without much merit. They're good stories, but that's it.

Thanks for this message, i was truly amazed so many people bought this conspiracy theory without any evidence.

Problem with conspirators is that they are way too powerful, if not smart, to leave bold evidences.
And i would tend to argue that NSA dont care about the government. I mean, these guys are la creme de la creme of our modern society.
Dont be silly, they understand and have access to technology you would not even dream of.

However, History has highlighted many times that things go way deeper behind the curtains.
Sure there is no proofs, but just by witnessing the global propaganda, the failing financial system, the ideological imperialism, wars, or even 911 (which is now being more and more acknowledged as a conspiracy indeed) etc...

So imo the real question is who is playing who? Is the NSA playing/trolling the old establishment and their f#cked up archaic financial system? Dont you think these guys have run all the calcs in order to switch from this dying paradigm and take the lead? Does global surveillance rings a bell? Google it may be.. ^^

Anyhow, for example, imho it is not because we dont have global media covered proofs of UFOs that they necessarily dont exist.

So here i am, just being a suspicious agnostic.

I remember that I saw a movie or I it was a game that the world was fucked up by the government, like the financial crisis, wars and diseases. It all was made by the government to fuck the world and then the population was desesperate for something to save from all these catastrophes and who do you think was the hero to bring the world to peace again?

Right, the government! The house never loses...

Yes maybe bitcoin is this kind of hero that we are hoping so much to bring the world hope, wealth and power to the people, however, it may be our doom... Cry