Quote from: brg444 on November 06, 2014, 02:27:14 PM

Quote from: NewLiberty on November 06, 2014, 09:46:38 AM

Its pretty exhausting because it is difficult to determine what you are trying to communicate.
This post in particular is merely self contradictory rhetoric. It doesn't contain any reasoned arguments.
Parse it yourself and you will see...

Either (a) side chains have no capability to "mess with" Bitcoin, or (b) they are empowered to improve, ensure preservation, and adaptability...

Then, you claim to know the purpose of side chains. As if there is only one purpose that *the people* that create side chains can have. This is an outlandishly impossible claim to make.

Followed by another self contradiction. Either (a) side chains do not change the incentive structure, or (b) they improve it. Both of these can not be true.

I think you should just stop advocating for side chains. You are a bad spokesperson for the cause. People will read these posts of yours and get the idea that someone is hyping SC for some nefarious purpose, because these posts of yours just don't make sense, and not even internally consistent with itself.

I knew this would be your argument, and yes, I can see how it might sound contradictory.

Adrian's use of those terms, "mess with" and "change", were made in a notably pejorative way. My point is that these changes are, IMO, for the better. Someone could have a different opinion but while you accuse me of not making sense, the same could be said of much of the arguments made against SC so far in this thread.

I also think they are for the better, when done successfully and by people of good will.

In much the same way that a software "upgrade" is not always better than its predecessor. It may require more resource or implement a nasty form or DRM or who knows what.

Usually they are better, but not always.

What SC does is a great thing. I have strongly advocated them myself to both developers and investors. I don't like is seeing them misrepresented as something they aren't. It is mostly a method of "upgrading" a crypto currency. Some but not all upgrades are beneficial, only most of them are.

The really insanely great thing about them is that they deal with the ossification issue in a market sensitive way. If you like the old version and don't want the "upgrade" you don't have to take it. Or you can try it out for a while and move back without much cost.