Quote from: MetaMorphius on November 08, 2014, 07:42:26 AM

I am making a goute of a post I made on SDC thread after their bagholders ripped me for good advice and i'm sure they will delete it.

Quote from: MetaMorphius on November 08, 2014, 07:38:31 AM

Quote from: LongAndShort on November 08, 2014, 05:41:15 AM

Its a shitcoin and nothing but a shitcoin with a filthy premine. So feel free to check out Shadow to see what a real project looks like but if you're going to just be an abusive little shit then by all means feel free to go back and waste your time and money on something that is going to waste away. By joining the ranks of idiots in the xst crowd, emilio, trangleee and the angry xc group who are also trying to pin this on Shadow!

The SDC "bgholding inverster or whales/pumpers is what ruins this coin for a lot of people. Failure to take constructive criticism and falure to admit when your wrong. Forcing the hand of your dev (blocknet,mergers, and open source) and outright abuse and trolling of anything you might even think as a possible challange to SDC.

Hell even you own dev doesn't like it.

Quote from: rynomster on November 08, 2014, 01:52:17 AM

I don't really have a problem with whales, but I definitely think that they shouldn't be able to dictate the priority of development, the development requirements or the future of the coin..

The first few months of shadow I was completely oblivious to the fact that whales.. The more things progressed, the more people were offering funds to hire extra developers, managers, technical writers, journalists, etc.

The team has obviously grown, and it took me a while to realise I'm no longer able to make decisions on my own, but it seems to be moving forward. I really don't like the delayed open source thing, but I guess you need to protect investments for a bit.

The whales also tend to know allot about other whales, and obviously they've been in the game allot longer than late adopters, so they have very valuable input most of the time.

I would definitely enjoy developing allot more if there wasn't a direct monetary value, and if people didn't care about the price.

Some day people will realise that this is all epic research and experimentation, and that the monetary value is actually curbing the innovation, because they constantly asking are we there yet, and if you miss a deadline or there's a bug or a hack that the developers weren't in control of, the whales can put a massive dent in an entire communities investment.

And as for proof on the attacks: here: http://www.cryptoarticles.com/crypto-news/chronology-of-the-smear-campaign-against-the-blocknet

A notable quote from it:

The campaigners identities

Later, a Bitcointalk user known as winteriscoming5 leaked a pastebin implicating (but of course not proving) that Mr Boh and Longandshort two SDC holders were perpetrators of the campaign:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=829576.msg9418313#msg9418313

This quotes a post by Tranglee dated weeks ago warning of this campaign.

The following morning, an opponent of the Blocknet mistakenly validated the authenticity of the leaked pastebin in a combox on Coins Source: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=829576.msg9422059#msg9422059

This pastebin also implicates Trollsroyce and Soepkip, two more SDC holders, in the smear campaign.

The article on Coins Source was subsequently retracted amidst an outcry about its bias.

The smear campaigns core argument

The smear campaign is based on two false claims:

Dan and Prometheus have an illicit relationship.

This is a false claim. Firstly every single code review or collaboration that Dan has done (whether involving Prometheus or others) has been publicly announced in the XC thread and/or from his personal Twitter account. Secondly Prometheus has been open about the coins he funds. Therefore their working together has been no secret. By making it appear as if its an illicit secret, the campaigners were able to appear to expose them.

The smear campaign relies on rhetoric (and in the case of 00Smurfs Skype screenshots, the cropping of context-specifying remarks) to assume a priori that Prometheus is a P&D scammer. This claim is not argued for but simply assumed.

This claim is by no means true, let alone true by default. Prometheus is frank about calling himself a pumper but is vocal that this does not make him a dumper, as his statement details.

Neither does being a pumper make him a scammer. He does not abandon coins after a pump, as is the case with KeyCoin, a coin formerly pumped by him which has just completed KeyTrader with his funding, long after the pump.

Furthermore it is clear from the screenshots that he actively recruits talented developers to create real technology.

So it appears that Prometheus aims, primarily, to profit from his coins, but creates projects with real innovation that outlast a pump and are funded to continue onwards and retain a fair market value. Ultimately Prometheus appears to be an investor who supplies the necessary capital for a coin to gain recognition and the momentum to stand a chance at long-term success. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=829576.msg9422694#msg9422694

With these two falsehoods removed, the resulting scenario is of a business relationship between a coder who is quite free to work for whoever he wants, and a capitalist who does not deceive people into investing into coins with no innovation or future.

In other words, both claims are false: nothing has been exposed and no illicit dealings exist.

The motive for the smear campaign

Metcalf later published a pastebin of a Skype conversation between the XC team and the SDC team. A merge was under discussion. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=829576.msg9422912#msg9422912

As can be seen, the meeting was very positive. However that sentiment changed in the week following it. Some SDC holders were opposed to the merge and managed to dissuade the SDC dev team from it.

This resistance to collaborating with XC extended to the Blocknet, when they successfully persudaded the SDC team to withdraw from the Blocknet prior to launching their smear campaign against it.

In retrospect the smear campaign appears to be an attempt to destroy Dan, XC, and the Blocknet in the hope of attracting users to SDC, a coin with legitimate anonymity features and thus a direct competitor.

Yeah who the hell want s to be apart of that? BTW LXC's pos Android wallet is posted 4 days before SDC's on the Android story. Dates and facts don't lie.

good to see at least some people can see through the bullshit. Like what has been stated before, alot of trolls are regurgitating the same bullshit over and over again. They only see whats on the surface kind of like an iceberg, but dont see the other 80% (XC's past, XC's accomplishments, XC's transparency from the start, constant updates, new tech developments, on-going PR etC)