Quote from: SkRRJyTC on November 13, 2014, 10:10:41 PM

Quote from: DebitMe on November 13, 2014, 09:14:47 PM

Quote from: SkRRJyTC on November 13, 2014, 08:29:46 PM

Quote from: koshgel on November 13, 2014, 01:28:49 AM

It seems you are picking matches with really high odds. Debitme's sports tracking shows a lot of wins but a net profit loss.

Do you have a separate spreadsheet for yourself?

He is the only one profiting. The whole idea is to appear profitable by picking high probability winners in order to gain referral income, or now in this case, direct subscription income.

A profitable picker has NO incentive to share his picks in the same way a profitable trader or algo coder has NO incentive share their trading rules/strategy.

Its a scam. I've posted this in this thread hundreds of pages ago...

Can you provide evidence to back up that this is a scam? I highly doubt you can and providing picks, no matter the odds, for money is not a scam. So please reword/rethink your argument as he has not stolen or mislead anyone in anyway, and in fact, has been very transparent about the way his picks work.

To take on your second point, he is not the only one profiting. I have been betting with him before the spreadsheet I started online, and must say, I am pretty far in the green on this. With my winnings, I have bought an Xbox One and am getting ready to buy a big screen TV. Now, you may look at the spreadsheet and see that it is in the negative, and I would agree with you. Late October had a pretty bad 3 game losing streak and we are currently recovering from that. You should also notice that since the loss, the spreadsheet has made back about a bitcoin and a half and will be returning to profit quite shortly. Again though, he has neither hid, nor asked me not to report the loss, which only goes back to attest to his integrity.

Your claim that a profitable picker has NO incentive to share his picks the same as a day trader is completely absurd. When a profitable algo developer has developed a script that is able to make money trading, it is in his best interest to keep that software private as the more people using it, the less effective it becomes. Revealing sports picks is quite the opposite, sure the line can be effected, but the reality is that the odds barely get affected, if at all. Please explain why some of the best sports cappers in the world sell their picks for hundreds and thousands of dollars every day? Because there bet is not affected by the play that they release and can collect money for people to ghost them.

So in conclusion, you have no basis or grounds for calling this a scam, as he is not stealing or doing anything that he has not advertised that he will do. The spreadsheet I made clearly lists every single one of his bets and odds and it is completely up to you on whether you would like to follow them or not. Please rethink your post and change it accordingly as you are clearly angry and don't understand the difference between a scam and something you don't want to participate in and just can't leave alone.

In the past, first 100 pages or so, when stayedup was running his own spreadsheet, he changed his bets after they lost to continue to appear to be profitable.

If you are independently tracking his bets now... the spreadsheet will not be seeing a profit.

What is your cut anyway Debit? $5 a month per user?

Hmm, I looked through your "evidence" and although compelling, I don't see much hard evidence that suggests it was anything more than a mistype that he corrected. Not saying your wrong, but that seems to be a pretty isolated incident over the course of 2+ years.

I am independently tracking the bets, and the spreadsheet isn't showing a profit, not sure what your point is here as I openly admitted that. I also stated that I have been betting with him for longer than the spreadsheet has been keeping track and as such I am in profit by following his bets, even with the large loss in October which is quickly being made back. I have made over a 50% return on my money in November alone, can you find somewhere else that does that. Also I get no cut from our arrangement. The spreadsheet was something I put together for my own tracking purposes and he asked me if he could use it as an independent tracker, to which I agreed.

EDIT: I guess the take away is, I don't know what happened and you can't prove that it was a deliberate deception and I have many a couple thousand dollars off of his picks, so why wouldn't I pay to follow his picks and keep my own record?