Quote from: darkmule on November 19, 2014, 01:00:47 AM

Quote from: TECSHARE on November 18, 2014, 05:58:01 AM

You sound kind of mad. Plus, I was kind of agreeing with you, so I'm not sure why you felt compelled to insult me.

Also, look at what the subject of this thread has been changed to.

We won!

So let's be happy together.

Chill.

Deal.

Where did I insult you? What did we win? My goal wasn't to have Butterzone removed from default trust, it was to point out that moderating trust is a FAILED POLICY that will only result in tearing the community apart for the sake of people who are provoking action to begin with.

Quote from: hilariousandco on November 18, 2014, 11:00:54 AM

Quote from: TECSHARE on November 18, 2014, 10:34:43 AM

You sure aren't doing anything about it when it is reported, but again you "have the right to interpret the rules" now don't you. Why would you care if I am being harassed, no skin off of your back.

When what is reported? Someone stating that you're unlikely to sell something? Saying something you don't like isn't against the rules and the report won't be acted upon unless it does. You can say you were 'harassed' and your reputation is being 'tarnished' or whatever but these are all just exaggerations to suit your argument. You see, you would've been fine with us bending the rules on this occasion to remove the posts you reported (even though they broke no rules), but I doubt you would've appreciated staff removing any posts of yours that someone didn't like.

I reported it well before things escalated but every report was ignored. He did not simply say I am "unlikely to sell" something, he started like this, was told to leave, he then continued to post not only insults and harassing comments but then continued to post links to similar products on sites that don't even accept BTC to try to prove some how that me asking for the face value of the gift card was "unfair". Him "pointing out" something is just a pretext for his repeated harassment and trolling. I don't really care how much you willfully ignore the reality of the situation. I KNOW what happened, and why I did what I did, and you have ZERO INTEREST in helping me, but you do however have interest in framing me as "paranoid", disgruntled, and "abusive".

It is not like we were having a debate about something, or discussing some project, I IN NO WAY would be inhibiting his ability to speak or speak out against me by asking his harassing posts to be removed from the ONLY PLACE I am allowed to trade here, and your attempt to frame me as someone looking to censor people from speaking out against me is disingenuous at best.

Quote from: hilariousandco on November 18, 2014, 11:00:54 AM

Quote from: TECSHARE on November 18, 2014, 10:34:43 AM

I never really thought the trust system was a good idea because it gives people a false sense of security, but I never really had a problem with it because what I was told is that the system was UNMODERATED, but clearly that is not the truth. Some one dictating from a central position who is and who is not to be trusted is not a trust NETWORK, it is a trust DICTATORSHIP. Solution: stop dictating to people who they should and should not trust. Of course this all happens behind closed doors so no one ever really gets to witness this coercive process, so how would anyone know unless they experienced it themselves?

The feedback left is unmoderated, but you were obviously aware of the nature of the system in that people get added to and removed from the list from time to time and you were seemingly fine with that until recently. It's a working trust network until you get removed for abusing the trust then it's suddenly an authoritative bitcoin Illuminati buddy list. Can't have it both ways. If theymos or any other admins really wanted to abuse the system then they would just remove the offending feedback, but I think the system worked well in this example contrary to your belief. What exactly do they have to gain from removing you? It's a good warning to others on there; make sure to not let personal feelings get in the way if you've been trusted with a position of power or your position may be reconsidered.

So now you know what I was and what I was not aware of now? Tell me again how I am supposed to know that behind closed doors you and your staff buddies meet in closed forums to discuss the removal of people from the default trust? I am sure it is a common occurrence for you, but the staff have a tendency here to want to enforce unwritten rules and then blame people for not following what was never publicly stated. Just because it is something you are well aware of as a mod does not mean everyone else magically absorbs it via osmosis.

What do they have to gain from removing me? He gets to wield his influence over the default trust system to manipulate it indirectly while publicly proclaiming he does not moderate trust. Clearly he does moderate trust by using his control over the default trust system as a cudgel to force users to submit to his demands. In short he gets more control over a supposedly decentralized trust system allowing for more abuse for his buddies, while using people such as myself to serve as a convenient example to make his point about the trust system.

People such as my self are the ones CREATING the integrity that you claim to be protecting, and I really don't buy that one negative trust rating some how negates my contribution to this community over 3 years. I may have been added to the default trust, but I EARNED MY TRUST, and putting me on the default trust as "untrusted" is taking from me what I earned as a form of punitive action for not obeying your dictates. I never signed up to be a representative for this forum. I got all of my trust because I WORK HARD TO MAKE MY TRADING PARTNERS HAPPY, I don't cheat people, and I operate openly and honestly. Now because you built this default trust system some how now all my hard work is yours and you seem to feel you have the right to take that from me AS IF YOU created it. This is the hypocrisy I am talking about. You point your fingers at me for taking action against one person after 3 years of impeccable trading history here and suddenly I am Stalin oppressing the proletariat, yet you are free to extort me using the trust system as leverage against me.

You use my own hard work and honest efforts as a cudgel against me and others to force them to submit to your commands so you can preserve your illusion of default trust list integrity. We all know there is none, and you throwing honest users under a bus to try to prove that it has integrity is a failing strategy that is destructive to this community far beyond my individual case, and is simply a means to punish anyone who opposes you.