Quote from: Ruthful on November 20, 2014, 07:43:47 AM

Quote from: cbeast on November 20, 2014, 07:11:27 AM

I answered both. There's the rub. I'm saying Bitcoin *can* be immune to all known forms of torture. The tools are there, people just need to learn how to use them. Of course there will always be the option of nLockTime transactions that secure them so even having the keys won't unlock them until a specific time. The adversary would just have to wait. It will probably be a good idea for everyone to do this at some point. I'm also saying that bitcoins can't be stolen if properly secured. You're reading too much into honesty and empathy retort. Bitcoin will make fraud much less possible. "Fences make good neighbors."

Your rub fail.This is why combining two completely incongruous argument chains is considered bad form of debating .

1)Bitcoin is as immune to torture as any other forms of value storing method.It doesn't matter if it's vault key, stronghold access, bank pin number of bitcoin private.Your method of stopping them from gaining access to your wealth is also applicable to my other examples.There is nothing unique to bitcoin in this regard.Protecting your asset at the cost life isn't a new concept.

2)You not need to honest or emphatic to earn bitcoin. Scumbags will be scumbags.They'll migrate wherever there's gain to be made.The thing that will protect your bitcoin is the exact same thing that protects your other assets:due diligence.After all fences do pre-date bitcoin.

I disagree on both points for the same reason. Bitcoin doesn't rely on only simple keys. I'm sorry you don't understand. Try reading up on Bitcoin's features instead of repeating the same misunderstanding. FYI, using quotes means the statement is a quote and probably shouldn't be taken literally.
You keep saying things are not new, but I never claimed they were. You fail to make a point. Saying that being a scumbag is a way to earn anything won't help your case with anyone. In fact you haven't even made a relevant point let alone refuted mine.