Quote from: nextgencoin on November 24, 2014, 07:36:04 AM

Quote from: barabbas on November 23, 2014, 08:31:29 AM

STAY AWAY FROM BAY

Zimbeck is up to here in personal debts and is more than probably selling his Black Halo ideas to Pump&Dump groups (probably the Black Hand; possibly several) to get access to quick cash. Everything is vaporware there, nothing at all is new and when and if it is and works, it will be first in BlackCoin. IF, being the operative word. In any case, none of it is of any real value for regulation will be implemented in crypto long before any real decentralized market place or decentralized form of payment really takes effect. Mind you, no one has come even remotely close to DarkSend and no one uses it either.

But, above all, please pay attention to all the flashing red flags, ok?
1.- Self moderated thread. Don't believe the crap: Only reason for it is to avoid posts like this one you are reading to be posted there. Because they have a lot to hide and that is the only way they can pretend no one knows their trick.

2.- Read the thread. How come all of a sudden such an amount of "enthusiasts" of the project, post again and again, them all being either newbies or juniors? Draw your own conclusions... ok, I'll do it for you: They are sock puppets; accounts that are operated by a very small amount of people probably working for the likes of Bobsurplus Prometheous, Black Hand, others or a combination of several.

3.- They pretend to have sold a lot in the ICO... Thousands of BTC. Let me tell you this: Even if you would be selling $100 bills in crypto for 90% of its value in today's alts, you wouldn't sell "thousands of BTC". There's simply no money left in crypto. It's all gone to the P&D groups and the crooked devs. Gonzo. I don't care what you offer, you won't get an ico going over 200BTC no matter if you invent something that is better than sliced bread. There's simply no cash, period. How they do it you ask? Well, not discounting than the exchanges could do anything for money, misrepresent figures included, let's assume that BTER did not and they really "sold" thousands of BTC in BAY. If that was the case, they sold it to themselves. You know the old trick? The right hand pays the left hand and everything goes to the same pocket. Trust nothing but what you can see. And what is that? 20-30 BTC per 24-hour volume in Bittrex. You don't need to look anywhere else. That tells you that roughly 10BTC was invested and another 10BTC was divested. Or dumped. Use your brain, ok?

Yep, you are going to read a lot of answers to this post, you'll see. Pay attention and you'll see the same newbie accounst and a host of new ones, pretending its FUD. Use your brain. Or throw your money away. Your call.

The fact is you haven't provided any FACTS, just conjecture but your opinions actually crashed the price so its just as likely you are the scammer smashing coins down and then buying the dips.

I don't have a problem with people highlighting scams. I just don't think this looks like one. For one you have a known face in crypto putting their name on the coin which would be very stupid of him if this was a scam. Ahs there EVER been a bonafide scam from somone who has put their real name on a coin, I mean real scam where the guys just run off and it was all lies? Moderated thread? So what? Sockpuppets, show me a thread that doesn't have them? The truth is we know Black Halo has smart contracts and so this kind of project needs smart contracts working for it to work. Common sense would say this is not only legit but also a very exciting project that is bringing together real known tech into a killer trading project.

You got to give more than hunches otherwise you look like the scammer not them. I'm not saying your are wrong but you have given opinion forward as facts which is misleading. You basicically have given zero to prove its a scam.

As you have given your hunch I'll give mine. This in a sea of scams and shitcoins is golden and held medium to long term is gonna make a lot of people very rich. To those people you convinced its a scam you are doing them a great disservice cause you scared some away from a brilliant project that has real world utility and potential.

First of all thank you but you are giving me way too much influence, which could be flattering if true but being that it is not, it just an exercise in futility, meaningless. I don't influence the trading prices in ANY manner. The coin is trading now near the highs, it's been so, once again, proof that this thread has practically no influence at all.

Second, you may not know me, although when you judge someone you should first do some research. When I post, if I own the coin (which is never), I state I own and since when. It's called FULL DISCLOSURE. If I post anything negative, obviously I am not planning on owning the shit any time; if I post something positive, on the other hand, I have done research on that and usually I have intention to make, some time in the future, a modest investment in it. And, to further clarify, I do not INVEST in alt coins, I do swing trade, not invest.

Third, if you read the OP, you'll quickly find that the reason for the WALL OF SHAME is to respond to the absolute impunity existing in alts and translating into massive amounts of scams. There's no "burden of proof". And the reason there isn't is because the scammers/developers don't need to comply with ANY rules at all to bring forth their scams. They can lie, they can mislead, the can cheat... and the do. Blatantly. With total impunity. This WALL came out as an attempt to rein on that "wild west" mentality. The rules of the game now are leveled, equal to both parts. Fair enough?

I did not just give my opinion on BAY, I gave quite a few known facts and a few obvious red flags that support, based on experience, my overall opinion that this is a scam and that, consequently, should be avoided. You think differently, be my guest and buy it by the boatloads... at least you will not be able to claim you were misled when the bubble burst in your face. And burst it will. And you know the nice thing about the whole thing? we will not have to wait too long -just a few months max- to know who was right and who was wrong.

You mention a point which could be quite valid, the fact that the manager of the project or visible head is a well known name in alts... That, since the only real value of ALL alts is the reputation of its devs, was a very strong consideration... but, ultimately, one has to do what every investigator ALWAYS does when investigation murders or other crimes: Follow the money. By his own admission, Zimbeck is -or was- is dire debt. To a point that it was drowning him and even affecting his work (his own admission). And that changes the game completely for anyone in need if, obviously, vulnerable to dubious offers which under different circumstances that same person wouldn't ever hear. So your "point" is thus explained away.

But I also pointed out to a FACT that is just an obvious fantasy: The collection of 3,000BTC in the ICO. Over 1.1 million dollars. For nothing, nothing at all. Something that will be implemented, when and if, earlier in another coin and the name of a dev drowning in dev. Do the math. And I mentioned thre different examples, one of them, BRO, supported by the single most promising background project ever attempted in crypto (an online casino) and the support not of a well known dev, but a dozen or more of the most famous and richest poker players in the world. After one month and one day of ICO, a total of less than 300BTC were collected... 1,000BTC, not in your dreams: Typical case of right hand pays the left hand. Vaporware. And major -albeit slow- dumping ALREADY in progress. It is called "circumstantial evidence".

Not trying to convince you, though. Please go ahead and make millions with the scam. I'll post just how wrong I was when you are driving your lambo and own half of the Mediterranean islands. I hope though that some less "expert" investors are spared of just one more, and not very elaborate scam.